Kathy: dragging examples?
... slider
Jon: will do
Kathy: dragging examples, we have some pictures in there now. We've got several ideas for techniques and also a failure presume, we don't have any of them written. But Jonathan if you've got some time it would be great for you to read through that and see if you have any suggestions for those graphics, or the text that's related to them.
here's the link for dragging
Kathy: also the techniques and examples list has more
Link for techniques and examples list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1H6OBXEJE-5r3_q2OKwDGhGyg5rcfV9kS9-Wthf-3fK8/edit
Kathy: looking for the exception
Jonathan: thinking that might be too lenient
Kathy: we had that in the intent document – we need to write up something
Jonathan: I don't know if it was
a problem with just the wording – if something is on top of
another object you couldn't need to take it into account in
some way. So I wasn't sure if people had a problem with the
wording or if it was impossible to do without the exception. If
you can put in space around something that's not overlapping
why can't you put space around something that's overtop
something by using padding or some layer between that
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... I think people thought it would be too hard to test when
something was overlaying something you wouldn't know because of
responsive design
... my concern is something could pop up that was too
narrow
Kathy: we could put a sentence in the intent to say that if you have a layer such as emotive dialogue and the user cannot access the information behind the layer then you don't need to have this spacing – does not apply to the underlying, the background layer
Jonathan: that would make sense because it wouldn't be actionable anyways. What about things that aren't mortal – what about a pop-up menu that isn't modal. Right now it read like there would be an exception for that. I was concerned that from the user perspective maybe that wouldn't be good to have an exemption there in that case.
Kathy: what if we change the SC text and said for each active target there's an area…
Jonathan: I don't know, might cause confusion about what's an active target. We might have to clarify what that is
Kathy: is there another word for that…
Jonathan: exactly, that's why I
wondered if it was just wording for people rather than actual
situation we were trying to solve. There will be targets, but
if they're not active they shouldn't be taken into
account.
... maybe active targets would go after the other targets. You
probably saw the thread from Wilco as well, definition of
target.
... that's one possibility – I'd like to get opinion from
people like Wilco who probably have very specific
interpretations of what is meant by target
Kathy: added comment to the document – that might be enough just to alleviate this
Jonathan: yes, if it's not a target you just ignore it – makes sense
Kathy: we can bring that up – we may need a definition. It looks like were going to talk about target definition anyways
Link to touch target: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sszSUKB8t3VuRzxHtOjLfQZjNYCw-xr_EbuMwW7WiGc
Jonathan: what if you could do it with the keyboard already
Kathy: may not have a keyboard access on all mobile devices
Jonathan: are we saying the keyboard alternative you would have to meet that as well?
Kathy: yes
Jonathan: I mention it because I thought wording – mechanism is available
Kathy: mechanism is available to change the height, not for secondary control
Jonathan: I'm thinking PowerPoint
you can use the thing to rotate the image, but there's also a
box – spinner control, not just keyboard, doesn't require
keyboard
... you asked about examples – I was trying to think of
resizing things that are very small as examples of this
... PowerPoint – I do notice that Microsoft has made for target
size. There's also downsides of that, maybe this is where the
comment in the understanding dock that different people have
different needs.
... because I need a lower resolution screen all my items in
PowerPoint are groups – I have to drill down into a layer to
access any items on the ribbon because there's not enough room
for them to be big enough so they made them secondary or
tertiary levels. So now I have to go through a bunch of extra
steps to access the same things on the desktop and I would
normally have – adjust spread things out for me. And so I do
notice that some[CUT]
... offer a more condensed view, where you can go back and get
that view – that's a good thing to make it work for
everybody
Kathy: can you add that to the understanding?
ACTION on Jonathan, add comment about different users have different needs, condensed view nto intent section below pictures
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Kathy: that's it for that – we do
need to create some techniques and the one failure. The last
thing is what we are going to do with the active targets and
how were going to do that and update the intent
... I think that's it for now, we just have to work on the
techniques for dragging and also this one
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