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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

23 Apr 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
addison, fuqiao, atsushi, fsasaki, JcK
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison

Contents


trackbot, prepare teleconference

<scribe> scribenick: addison

<agendabot> clear agenda

Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

richard: move to zoom?

addison: or chime :-)

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-888?

<trackbot> action-888 -- Addison Phillips to Remind wg to read font fingerprinting proposals for next telecon -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/888

close action-888

<trackbot> Closed action-888.

action-889?

<trackbot> action-889 -- Addison Phillips to Add html to review radar, respond to xiaoqian -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/889

close action-889

<trackbot> Closed action-889.

action-891?

<trackbot> action-891 -- Addison Phillips to Forward comment in issue 871 -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/891

close action-891

<trackbot> Closed action-891.

action-893?

<trackbot> action-893 -- Addison Phillips to Close dnt issue 62 (our 508) with a comment -- due 2020-04-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/893

close action-893

<trackbot> Closed action-893.

Info Share

xfq: in a previous meeting was actioned to add generic font family issue to next css virtual f2f agenda
... and it was added; it will be 2 days; 29-30 april
... there are two possible time slots

<xfq> https://wiki.csswg.org/planning/virtual-spring-2020

xfq: link has time slots to choose between; if you have a preference, let me know
... I will add you to the wiki
... time slot A may be shifted 1 hour earlier, but not decided yet

<xfq> https://meet.google.com/

xfq: meeting will use "meet"; no meeting link yet
... also saw a lot of css ruby related issues in the agenda

addison: wednesday morning better for me. others?

richard: yes, I will attend if time slot A

<scribe> ACTION: xfq: request a slot in time slot A of CSS virtual f2f for discussing generic font families

<trackbot> Created ACTION-894 - Request a slot in time slot a of css virtual f2f for discussing generic font families [on Fuqiao Xue - due 2020-04-30].

richard: discussion about nordic languages
... so in prep to reply, it occured to me that there is not a place to find out what's involved

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/guidelines/le-participation

richard: so I wrote something

jck: very helpful

RADAR Review

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/issues/112

addison: lgtm

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/884

richard: basically this is a spec that defines an API for sharing links and text to arbitrary...
... and as soon as it says text :-)

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/web-share/

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/web-share/#usage-examples

richard: look at section 1
... has a title and something that has a URL but potentially text
... no language and direction; lang and dir of title/text can be different
... open to problems

Status of simple-ruby

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Apr/0014.html

atsushi: short summary is that in final review for updated draft
... we think all suggestions are in final draft
... hope to proceed to PR and translations shortly

richard: is florian planning to do the translations any time soon? (conflict with css)

atsushi: need to talk to him

<florian> (in another meeting, but noticed my name. Which translation are we talking about?)

simple ruby

<xfq> simple-ruby

<xfq> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2020AprJun/0103.html

richard: is there a url for the japanese version of the latest?

<florian> confused. that's translated already, so I must have missed (or forgotten) something. Need to pay attention to my other meeting now, but please assume I forgot the thing you're waiting on me for, so an email would be appreciated

<xfq> florian, see link above

<atsushi> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2020AprJun/0103.html

atsushi: for now it is in email only

<xfq> this is a new version from Kobayashi-sensei

<r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-japanese/2020AprJun/att-0103/_____________________5_4.pdf

Font fingerprinting proposals

richard: concerned about the impact on minority scripts and m-l docs

https://github.com/w3cping/font-anti-fingerprinting https://github.com/w3cping/font-fp-protection-browser-hinting https://github.com/tabatkins/proposal-local-font-access

richard: 3 proposals here
... one is really problematic, for example browsers only allow pre-installed in font-face and such, asserting safari currently does this
... we would want to suggest the opposite
... one from pete snyder
... one issue here is that people can fingerprint you from the fonts installed in your system
... and you might have diff fonts from other people
... so we allow you to set up a set of fonts in ui...
... so this is maybe worse?
... neither does what I thought was best approach; they all attempt to establish lists by looking at fonts out there
... and then centrally manage the lists of what's available
... perhaps safe way would be like cookie pop-up that says "this site will expose fonts on your system" and could be site-by-site
... and fp people rely on many many fonts
... if it were super noisy that would make harder
... a bunch of stuff about locale being important; they are thinking about host operating evnrioment locale
... disconnect is that want to decide based on the language of text not the user
... 3rd from tab atkins
... can add markup to page that triggers UI for the user
... relies on good will of page author nor address large installed base of pages
... for every page, for text files, etc.
... worried about lists by locale.
... latin script has loads and loads of them
... if you're dealing with font such as the SIL fonts

xfq: tab's proposal is origin based?
... maybe not every page of a website needs this? just for a site and user uses to configure this?

addison: how prevalent is this a problem
... maybe warn after 10 local fonts in a single page?

richard: a bad actor might track particular language family users by looking for a small list of specific fonts

addison: how do we talk to them?

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4055

xfq: think it is in 4055

<scribe> ACTION: addison: respond to issue 4055 with I18N WG response about font fp asking justificiation and adding various discussion points made in telecon

<trackbot> Created ACTION-895 - Respond to issue 4055 with i18n wg response about font fp asking justificiation and adding various discussion points made in telecon [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-04-30].

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/4497

addison: I'll look at that one too

AOB?

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: addison: respond to issue 4055 with I18N WG response about font fp asking justificiation and adding various discussion points made in telecon
[NEW] ACTION: xfq: request a slot in time slot A of CSS virtual f2f for discussing generic font families
 

Summary of Resolutions

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