Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference -- 08 Apr 2020

<jasonjgw> Is anyone else in the Zoom meeting? It's silent here.

<interaccess> scribenick: Joshue108

<Joshue_108> scribenick: Joshue_108

<scott_h> running late - hoping to come into meeting in the next 10 minutes or so

Accessibility of remote meetings.

JW: The news here is that the wiki page is greatly enhanced.

I've been working on it

JW: Seems to be improving, some more editing to do.

Basic info in place

JW: Lets review and make decisions on where it goes.

JOC: Sounds good.
... Can you give overview of whats new?

JW: Mostly editorial but I added some new references to the final section.

Details on remote platforms a11y

JW: We had an action from last week, about a point of regard, and getting that in the doc.
... We should capture that in the RAUR and in this doc.
... I'll document that.
... One of the scenarios that was mentioned - if sign language is happening the video needs to show the interpreter and not just the person who is speaking.
... It should show both.
... Correct.
... Should not show just one, and should show the person signing by default.

JS: A little more, it needs to show the person signing, and the person who is communicating, else this is a misinterpretation.

<jasonjgw> Jason will open an issue related to RAUR on GitHub.

JOC: Thanks Jason

Making final call for comments on https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Accessibility_of_Remote_Meetings

SH: Thanks to Josh for addressing my comments - looks good.

JW: Good news

The intersection of privacy, security, and accessibility.

JW: This is ongoing

The state last time was we were expecting some comments from the PING.

Haven't noticed any yet is it on the way?

JOC: I presume so, I can follow up with them if needed.

<jasonjgw> Josh will revisit correspondence and follow up if appropirate with PING.

JW: Any other actions on this?

<jasonjgw> Josh queries whether we're looking for user needs and requirements regarding privacy/security topics.

<jasonjgw> Or are we just looking for issues?

JW: I think it is, at this point pending their comments - we are casting around to determine issues, if there are.

SH: Yes, and once we do that, we can pull out use cases in a more targetted way.

JW: They are asking for a joint meeting.

We can share info that comes up, but lets hold the discussion back until we get comments from them.

SH: That sounds good to me.

+1 to Jason

JB: Can we look back to Accessible remote meetings?

JS: Commenting on this, I want to confirm next steps.

Should we communicate we have had a look and are not comfortable about saying more until we have had our joint meet?

JW: Seems appropriate to me.

Josh will be revisiting that, and could be a good way to clarify our stance.

<scribe> ACTION: Josh to contact PING and update them on TF stance on privacy and a11y

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2248 - Contact ping and update them on tf stance on privacy and a11y [on Joshue O Connor - due 2020-04-15].

JW: Anything else?

We are in agreement. Any other comments?

Open issues on drafts, and updates.

JW: This where we stand on the two drafts.

We have more issues in GH, Josh provided an overview of them.

<jasonjgw> Josh: notes a growing list of issues on GitHub in relation to our drafts.

https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/55 - Add requirement for shape as well as color be used? The question here, is can the shape of particular objects provide particular affordances. Interesting.

JW: Maybe take a week to comment and see what generates discussion.

JS: Would like to hear an overview?

JOC: Sounds good.

http://gameaccessibilityguidelines.com/ensure-no-essential-information-is-conveyed-by-a-colour-alone/

Ensure no essential information is conveyed by a fixed colour alone

JB: If you are swapping vision based info, with some others, I wonder would that help?

SN: I wonder if they are thinking of congnitive issues?

Stand icons or symbol sets? To convey types of info. Needs work to figure that out.

JW: Was not sure if this was a variation on the conveying information by colour.

JS: We may need more info.

SN: I agree
... I can think of limited examples in every day life - like road signage. Where info is conveyed in the shape.

<jasonjgw> Supplementary ways of conveying information need not require colour contrast changes.

JOC: +1 to Steve 2.

SN: I can think of limited examples where there is standard iconography in desktop environments.

These have become standards - limited applications and not sure how to carry that over.

JW: needs info

<scribe> ACTION: Josh to follow up on needs info for https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/55

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2249 - Follow up on needs info for https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/55 [on Joshue O Connor - due 2020-04-15].

https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/70 - REQ 3b: Turning turn off of 'mute' of non-critical messaging could be problematic. This is interesting as it relates to the idea of muting resulting in 'data loss' - worth discussing.

JW: This is in an XR environment?

JOC: Yes.

JW: If the user is choosing to suppress those, they are deliberatly controlling the flow of information.
... Not sure what to say about that.
... It is an arugment for more granular control of message types.
... We have something similar in screen readers.

Where you can skim by hearing the beginning of things..

JW: Maybe a strategy of having them interupptable - may be an issue for those who are easily distracted.

Or if necessary have more that two categories of them?

SH: Agree with Janina - it is like a verbosity setting for the user.

JW: Could have different levels, not just two.

SH: User should choose what that preference is.

JS: Like being able to go pass meta data to the subject.

SH: A verbosity setting would help with being granular.

JS: You can control this on the fly.
... Its powerful.

JW: This would work with auditory and visual notices.
... Josh, is that good?

<jasonjgw> Josh will liaise with the author of the comment and develop a response.

<scribe> ACTION: Josh to follow on with update from RQTF on https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/70

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2250 - Follow on with update from rqtf on https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/70 [on Joshue O Connor - due 2020-04-15].

JB: Whats the review window?
... There isn't so much feedback on the physicality of XR.

https://www.w3.org/TR/xaur/#motion-agnostic-interactions

<jasonjgw> Josh notes requirements for multiple input methods and section 4.3.

JB: This is the opposite of what I am saying.
... I'll have a look
... Are there other physical related ones?

Dont see any.

4.5 would take care of the issues I've been noticing.

JW: Could you log a Github issue?

JB: I need to look at 4.3 and 4.5.
... I'm working on some VR event stuff

JOC: If you could add a GH issue that would be helpful.

Discovery of controls would be good.

Do we have anything on error control?

JB: <discusses immersive caption feedback>

Issues with caption positioning.

We are missing lots here.

JW: Josh - can we take this up next week?

JS: It would be good to put missing stuff in a TOC.

JW: Good idea

Accessibility of remote meetings.

JW: Judy? Comments

JB: I have a question - around final call for comments. Did I misread?

JS: Yes.

JW: We just want to get to a point where we can get more input etc

JB: I'd like to have a section on the top, thats focussed on a user who has different accessibility needs, and the person who is trying to set up an accessible call.
... Also need to resize windows.

So you can see a speakers face etc.

Faces need to be well lit.

There's stuff that needs to be on top.

JW: Heres a proposal.. in section 5, we have that.

For people who are selecting platoforms and attending meetings.

Could be organised by moving that section to the start..

JB: Sounds good, can you do it?

JW: Yes, will look into it.

JB: I'm getting contacted by other organisations who have guidance on accessible remote meetings.

I'd like to keep moving this so that people know that we are working on it..

SH: I was on the OZWAI call - and they were talking about a11y of online meetings.

JOC: I also presented the RAUR to a group of ~ 70 AT pros in Ireland yesterday.

At the CHAT seminar run by FreedomTech, project run by Enable Ireland and Disability Federation Ireland

JS: We should talk about bugs!

JB: We can link to a11y info, need to be a little careful.

JS: Making them more interactive and visible would help.

JW: We will take up our open issues next week.

Will have enough to keep busy.

JS: Agenda request for next week.

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Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

08 Apr 2020

Attendees

Contents

Accessibility of remote meetings.

The intersection of privacy, security, and accessibility.

Open issues on drafts, and updates.

Accessibility of remote meetings.

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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