<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference

<agendabot> clear agenda

<addison> scribenick: addison

Agenda and Minutes

Action Items

https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open

action-853?

<trackbot> action-853 -- Najib Tounsi to Give system/comms team guidance on i18n best practices to make new home page readily localizable -- due 2020-01-23 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/853

<najib> Yes

<najib> can close

close action-853

<trackbot> Closed action-853.

action-855?

<trackbot> action-855 -- Addison Phillips to Ask fantasai to make bidi comments on ttml issue -- due 2020-02-13 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/855

close action-855

<trackbot> Closed action-855.

Info Share

close action-831

<trackbot> Closed action-831.

richard: last week we discussed moving tests to github
... rather than in a wiki
... had said it was a pain to edit the wiki, esp. with size
... can't filter and sort

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-tests/wiki/List-of-interactive-tests-&-results

richard: just moved gap analysis, so thought maybe possible to move
... so did it
... see link
... first list is set of summary pages
... shows results for tests
... links to test

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/int-vertical-text

richard: if we click on "this one"
... and click on japanese

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/text_direction_tests/issues/1

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/inline_notes/int-ruby

richard: new test framework for ruby
... and just a couple of tests to go with that

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/int-inline-notes-annotations

richard: summary pages pull data instantly from github
... not a lot under ruby because have tests
... and saw comment from xfq@
... pulled a little thread and ended up rewriting a bunch of tests

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-ruby

richard: rewrote results page to use latest template
... and changes to test suite framework

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/run?base=css-ruby&batch=css-ruby&test=rubypos/ruby-position-over-001.html

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-ruby

richard: plh@ has been making additional tooling available to us
... a flurry of notifications has resulted
... his tool goes through all 60K issues open
... in various WGs
... and checks if they have an i18n-tracker label
... it then cross-checks WG issues against our tracker and creates one automatically if not
... also a report for tracker vs. needs-resolution, etc. (inconsistencies in labels)
... also adding ability to inform us if an issue gets closed: auto sets "close?" in our tracker database
... huge improvement!

RADAR and Active Work Review

https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1

addison: concerned nothing on our radar

What time is this meeting at?

addison: any changes?

<scribe> ACTION: richard: check the time planner in the meeting page to ensure it is correct for 2020

<trackbot> Created ACTION-856 - Check the time planner in the meeting page to ensure it is correct for 2020 [on Richard Ishida - due 2020-02-27].

line breaking and quotation marks

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Feb/0007.html

<r12a> „ OP “ QU

<r12a> https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#QU

<r12a> https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#OP

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/245

xfq: the problem is that it produces ugly results in chinese

<r12a> "Note: If language information is available, it can be used to determine which character is used as the opening quote and which as the closing quote. See the information in Section 6.2, General Punctuation, in [Unicode]. In such a case, the quotation marks could be tailored to either OP or CL depending on their actual usage."

<xfq> https://github.com/unicode-org/icu/pull/223

xfq: has link to issue in ICU also

<xfq> “

xfq: opening quote is same code point as closing quote in e.g. german
... uax14 doesn't allow breaks before/after quotation marks
... unlike parenthesis

<r12a> "Some quotation characters can be opening or closing, or even both, depending on usage. The default is to treat them as both opening and closing."

xfq: only one class of quotation marks

richard: the QU is the same as opening/closing
... quotes on baseline are OP
... didn't have time to put test together

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/line_breaking/int-line-break?lang=de&fontSize=36&width=556&lineBreak=auto&wordBreak=normal&text=hello%20hello%20hello%20hello%20%E2%80%9Ehello%20there%E2%80%9C%20bye%20bye

<xfq> https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/245#issuecomment-588601476

<JcK> You (or we) just lost the meeting -- I just got disconnected and told I am the host

<addison_> scribenick: addison_

xfq: can produce some tests, still need next step

<xfq> https://github.com/unicode-org/icu/pull/223#issuecomment-435642278

addison: do you have examples of chinese working badly

xfq: see above link

<xfq> https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/8192599/74391127-9bfdcc00-4e46-11ea-88fb-c582e19c0546.png

richard: shouldn't it break on the comma?

addison: if there's no break before the quote you'd get that

richard: (consults the reference)
... comma is closing (CL)

<r12a> https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#CL

addison: CL is no break before, quote is no break before, so just kind of glueing
... does seem like a tailoring problem

richard: in chinese would also bring down character at end of previous line

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/line_breaking/int-line-break?lang=zh-hans&fontSize=36&width=766&lineBreak=auto&wordBreak=normal&text=%E6%9D%83%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8A%E4%B8%A5%E5%92%8C%E6%9D%83%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8A%E4%B8%A5%E5%92%8C%E6%9D%83%E3%80%81%E2%80%9C%E5%88%A9%E4%B8%8A%E4%B8%80%E2%80%9D%E5%BE%8B%E5%B9%B3%E7%AD%89%E3%80%82

richard: could be a bug against safari

<scribe> ACTION: xfq: file a bug against safari regarding quotes and line-breaking in chinese

<trackbot> Created ACTION-857 - File a bug against safari regarding quotes and line-breaking in chinese [on Fuqiao Xue - due 2020-02-27].

String-Meta next steps

<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind WG to review string-meta and make comments

<trackbot> Created ACTION-858 - Remind wg to review string-meta and make comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-02-27].

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Default Present: addison, Bert, richard, JcK, Fuqiao, atsushi, najib, xfq, r12a
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Feb/0006.html
Found Date: 20 Feb 2020
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