W3C

- DRAFT -

WoT-IG/WG

15 Jan 2020

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Dave_Raggett, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, David_Ezell, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Lagally, Niklas_Widell, Takahisa_Suzuki, Taki_Kamiya, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Zoltan_Kis, Ege_Korkan, Ryuichi_Matsukura
Regrets
Sebastian
Chair
McCool
Scribe
mlagally

Contents


<kaz> scribenick: mlagally

Policy wrt. figures and images

Lagally: request to use architecture overview figure for surevey by Platform industry 4.0

Kaz: will check policy

<kaz> patent policy

<kaz> IPR FAQ

<McCool> proposal: to make the overview figure in the architecture document (Fig 18) available for republication in the Plattform 4.0 survey whitepaper

<kaz> Document license

<McCool> proposal: To make the overview figure in the architecture document (Fig 18) available for republication in the Platform 4.0 survey, subject to the general W3C policy

RESOLUTION: To make the overview figure in the architecture document (Fig 18) available for republication in the Platform 4.0 survey, subject to the general W3C policy

McCool: resolution assuming it fits with W3C policy
... kaz, can you please check and get back to Michael

<inserted> Kaz: will do

Minutes

McCool: will send minutes for group review, will send out after review period
... automatic approval if no objection via email or approval in next meeting

Kaz: as team contact I prefer 1 week, quick review previous minutes during next call

McCool: can be a quick review during next meeting

<McCool> proposal: review period for minutes to be one week, and covered in the following TF call

RESOLUTION: review period for minutes to be one week, and covered in the following TF call

Lagally: please send objection via email first to reduce discussion time

Govtech meeting

McCool: first meeting took place, follow up planned in two weeks
... if you are interested to contribute, let McCool know
... minutes are not published publicly until confidentiality requirements are clarified

Meeting with MEIG

McCool: we should prepare presentations on status, future use cases, ...

Kaz: will work on future use cases

McCool: we need a presentation

Kaz: we work in architecture on use cases

Start time: 7am PST, 10am EST, 3pm GMT, 4pm CET, 5pm EET, midnight JST
Basic schedule:60 mins for WoT discussion + 30 mins for Media-specific discussion (Bullet Chatting)

WoT WG Charter

McCool: notifications were sent to reviewers, no objection received
... Kaz, what about current charter extension to end of January

Kaz: no decision yet, is in discussion

Proposed Rec

<inserted> McCool: still ongoing

Press release

McCool: we created speaking points

<McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/blob/master/TALKING.md

McCool: waiting for marketing to create a draft press release

<discussion about marketing call and availability of stakeholders>

McCool: let's do a marketing call for 30 mins today, potentially 30 mins tomorrow

Kaz: perhaps also as part of TD ?

McCool: REC will be in 1 month from now
... we seek testimonials from companies that are legally approved
... let Sebastian and McCool know if you plan a testimonials

Ege: I can ask students about what they think

McCool: we want to convince industry, e.g. I could ask Singapore, perhaps member companies can say something about it

<kaz> Kaz: note that there are 2 parts, (1) "Speaking Points" as the main body on the WoT's impact and (2) Testimonials from Members

Future F2F

McCool: there are issues with the Mozilla Mountain View. We either find another host quickly or do online-plugfest only and shift to later meeting
... Mozilla can host 25 people but no room for Open Day

Lagally: how many attendants for open day?

McCool: +30
... Helsinki could be another target for the launch event
... will ask Mozilla again

Kaz: if we wait until end of next week, we only have 6-7 weeks of lead time.
... better decide by end of this week

McCool: what do people think? better have F2F in March or just online?
... I'll check with Mozilla again, if it does not work out we will cancel
... kaz, can we do a quick poll?

Kaz: yes, and we can ask people about their interest in hosting the possible meeting as well

McCool: let's have a decision by the end of this week
... perhaps only 2.5 days meeting and plugfest without openday??
... Helsinki meeting
... we have a local organizer, dates and times are committed now
... we overlap with ICWE conference to allow wider participation
... WoT is actually on the CFP, we could submit a paper
... anyone planning a paper?

Ege: I'm writing a scientific paper, but our group could do a workshop paper/proposal

<egekorkan> https://icwe2020.webengineering.org/industry-track/

<discussion on alternatives, submission deadline is still in the future>

McCool: We can make T2TRG workshop?

Ege: there could be a half day workshop on the industry track

McCool: does a summary paper count for industrial track?
... I can draft a proposal, we can discuss in the TD call on Friday

<inserted> (McCool mentions the possibility of our organizing a workshop, and would contact the Chairs about that idea)

McCool: ege, what's your paper about?

Ege: timing analysis / tool as a node-WoT front end.

McCool: testing?

Ege: full consumer side

McCool: I'll discuss with the chairs of the T2TRG
... I could draft a paper based on the WoT status presentation
... Please review the plan on the agenda page, there's also a Wiki page

Kaz: MMC, do you also contact ICWE chairs?

McCool: yes
... need to discuss policy wrt. ICWE attendance

Binding templates

Ege: I received review feedback from Daniel and Toumura, seek for permission to publish

McCool: we agreed on one week review, please summarize the differences

Ege: we fixed examples, introduced tweaks to CoAP and MQTT vocabulary, some things were not properly addressed

<zkis> Zoltan: worked with Elena on the device lifecycle, taking into account OCF, OneM2M, LwM2M, SIM, Oracle IoT models. Will be presented on the Architecture meeting tomorrow.

Ege: sequence diagrams were added
... some editorial changes to payload structure

McCool: this is an improvement, anyone needs more review time?

(nobody)

<McCool> proposal: publish the current editor's draft of the Binding Templates document as a W3C Note.

<McCool> proposal: Publish the current (13 Jan) Editor's Draft of the Binding Templates document as a W3C Note.

<no objections>

RESOLUTION: Publish the current (13 Jan) Editor's Draft of the Binding Templates document as a W3C Note.

Kaz: as of today?

McCool: the githubio draft says "January 13"

<kaz> Kaz: ok

Testing

McCool: testing: there was a request to separately count consumer and producer implementation
... we need two implementation in each role
... we need to take this into account for next revision
... node-WoT as a fully implemented consumer would also work

Ege: we recently found some Python implementations from universities, do they also count?

McCool: we need an implementation report, do we have a dashboard to track implementations
... we don't have conformance testing suite
... implementation report is very detailed, a summary of features would be useful
... boiled down a set of assertions to features, let's discuss in marketing call

TF reports

McCool: please respond to TD doodle poll, will decide by Friday

Kaz: testing topic: we need to restart testing/plugfest call

McCool: shift marketing discussion to right slot starting next week

Lagally: architecture: we have an editorial PR, please review until tomorrow's arch call

https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/421

Marketing

<egekorkan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Egekorkan#Managing_a_conflict_of_interest

Ege: feedback was that we have too much conflict of interest
... not independent sources

McCool: we must *disclose* conflict of interest

Ege: I don't have conflict of interest

McCool: just explain the situation to them

Ege: they also ask for secondary reliable sources

McCool: if you find other articles that talk about WoT, you could refer them
... citations from other implementations
... we should track publications and collect in a .md file
... this could be referenced from the article

Ege: topic: social media presence

<egekorkan> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/17

Ege: we want to have a twitter account like the CSS group

Kaz: what is the action item?
... I can contact the CSS group

<kaz> HTML5

Kaz: for Wikipedia example you could look at the HTML spec
... JSON-LD could also be a good example

<kaz> JSON-LD

McCool: you could check the citations

<egekorkan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RFHIA1Xyc

McCool: let's search for external articles
... AOB?

(none)

McCool: Ege, you and Sebastian should discuss timeslot for next week. On this slot we will have a plugfest call
... no marketing call tomorrow
... would be fantastic to have a draft of the press release Thursday next week

<kaz> Kaz: so no marketing call today after this call or tomorrow, possible marketing discussion on Friday during the TD call. also expected marketing discussion on Thursday next week

<kaz> [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. To make the overview figure in the architecture document (Fig 18) available for republication in the Platform 4.0 survey, subject to the general W3C policy
  2. review period for minutes to be one week, and covered in the following TF call
  3. Publish the current (13 Jan) Editor's Draft of the Binding Templates document as a W3C Note.
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