W3C

– DRAFT –
DXWG Plenary

01 October 2019

Attendees

Present
annette_g, kcoyle, plh, PWinstanley, SimonCox
Regrets
AndreaPerego, DaveBrowning, DaveBrowning (probable), Nick Car, riccardoAlbertoni
Chair
PWinstanley
Scribe
kcoyle

Meeting minutes

Topic Admin

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proposed: approve minutes of September 24

https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌09/‌24-dxwg-minutes#ResolutionSummary

https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌09/‌24-dxwg-minutes

+1

<annette_g> +1

<plh> +1

<SimonCox> 0 (not present)

<PWinstanley> +1

Resolved: approve minutes of Sept 24

<plh> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌transitions/‌issues/‌169

PWinstanley: report on DCAT - has been accepted as CR (after a few comments relating to i18n)
… if not objections raised before Thursday it will be published. DaveR?

dsr: yes

PWinstanley: Many regrets from DCAT folks (taking a break, but we'll take care of anything in email)
… then clock starts on 30 days

plh: to DaveR need to send on Thursday, then there's a 28-day clock for publishing document.
… next milestone is November 14. Deadline for comments is October 31. That gives us one week

<SimonCox> q

plh: to moved to proposed recommendation (which is very fast)

PWinstanley: We need to elicit comments

<plh> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌spec-releases/‌milestones/?cr=2019-10-03&noFPWD=true

PWinstanley: what is the normal process for eliciting comments?

plh: at this point you have already solicited from the community at large
… now its getting comments from implementers

PWinstanley: it is in our interest to get comments as early as possible
… anything else we need to bear in mind?

plh: 31st is a Thursday, so working group has to decide on Tuesday, so you have start on 29th of October

PWinstanley: Thanks to plh for helping us in this

conneg

PWinstanley: last week we recognized that we were getting good comments on Conneg
… working to see if we could respond in time to go to CR
… turned out that there was more to do so could not go to CR in time
… options are noted in the agenda
… the ones that would lead to the best outcome are contingent on re-chartering of working group
… DCAT v2 goes ahead and then goes into maintenance mode
… before end of October need to refresh the charter with a new draft and present to w3c
… this would re-charter at the end of the year
… are people up for this? working on the new draft
… means we could continue with Conneg and it would go forward in the new charter
… will be a simple roll-over of membership including invited experts (as long as charter doesn't change significantly)
… any comments? questions?
… Lars is positive about this route so that Conneg can be completed
… if we don't do this, then Conneg becomes a note

<PWinstanley> kcoyle: comment - we need also to make a decision about whether we are going to consider the profiles guidance as a 'recommendation'

<PWinstanley> ... perhaps a discussion in email

PWinstanley: profiles guidance in scope of charter, so could be rec track in new charter

plh: could be included, if group supports it

kcoyle: depends on what future the group sees on it

SimonCox: concerned about evergreen of DCAT being mixed with conneg and profGui

PWinstanley: re-charter without change is easy; otherwise it's a different kind of work

SimonCox: it's the DCAT work that is different and needs a different type of direction

plh: doing rechartering with same items, is not a problem.
… would need to convince W3C that it needs a separate group for conneg and profiles
… doesn't say anything about how you are doing the work
… w3c may not go for that

<PWinstanley> kcoyle: based on what plh says, if we rewrite the charter with dcat being evergreen and moving to v3, can we change the wording ?

<PWinstanley> plh: yes, that's fine. the concern is the *scope* of the WG

<PWinstanley> kcoyle: hopefully we will have a draft soon for comment

<PWinstanley> plh: the charter doesn't influence how the group works on a day to day basis

<PWinstanley> plh: my advice is not to change the scope

<PWinstanley> ... I can give the verifiable claims where there is a shell WG to validate the work of a community group

PWinstanley: we've got things to think about

SimonCox: reason why I raise issue: at least we would want to separate the repositories - getting overwhelmed by github notices
… because it's all in same gh repo it's annoying
… coupling of work not as tight as originally conceived

plh: organization of gh repo does not have anything to do with the charter

<annette_g> Simon has a good point.

plh: some considerations (technical, we can go over later)
… cons is you will not have the same list of issues, so have to copy them over?
… forking doesn't copy issues
… have to copy and close

<PWinstanley> kcoyle: something for email or a future meeting is to decide what we might want to do in terms of changing procedures, esp re: PR and issues for closing for plenary meetings

<PWinstanley> ... sometimes issues are closed without full group consideration

<PWinstanley> ... we need to review the process

<SimonCox> now would be a good time to split the repositories because the DCAT issue-list has been cleaned up a lot and would be easier now than at any time in the last two years!

good point, Simon

PWinstanley: yes, discuss with fuller group, and with Simon's point about github

PWinstanley: propose to close meeting now; we seem to know where we are with DCAT and are getting
… a good handle on Conneg
… try to get Conneg to CR in the next 6 weeks or so
… need a clear target for Conneg

Summary of resolutions

  1. approve minutes of Sept 24
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by Bert Bos's scribe.perl version Mon Apr 15 13:11:59 2019 UTC, a reimplementation of David Booth's scribe.perl. See history.

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