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19:48:48 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:49:21 <PWinstanley> regrets+ DaveBrowning, riccardoAlbertoni, AndreaPerego
19:49:36 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:49:56 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.10.01
19:50:05 <PWinstanley> present+
19:50:14 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
19:50:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/10/01-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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20:08:33 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
20:09:01 <kcoyle> Topic Admin
20:09:06 <kcoyle> Topic: Admin
20:09:25 <kcoyle> proposed: approve minutes of September 24
20:09:30 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2019/09/24-dxwg-minutes#ResolutionSummary
20:09:41 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2019/09/24-dxwg-minutes
20:11:15 <kcoyle> +1
20:11:16 <annette_g> +1
20:11:20 <plh> +1
20:11:23 <SimonCox> 0 (not present)
20:11:25 <PWinstanley> +1
20:11:47 <kcoyle> regrets+ DaveBrowning (probable), riccardoAlbertoni, AndreaPerego, Nick Car
20:12:08 <kcoyle> resolved: approve minutes of Sept 24
20:12:11 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/169
20:12:43 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: report on DCAT - has been accepted as CR (after a few comments relating to i18n)
20:13:27 <kcoyle> ... if not objections raised before Thursday it will be published. DaveR?
20:13:31 <kcoyle> dsr: yes
20:13:58 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Many regrets from DCAT folks (taking a break, but we'll take care of anything in email)
20:14:15 <kcoyle> ... then clock starts on 30 days
20:14:41 <kcoyle> plh: to DaveR need to send on Thursday, then there's a 28-day clock for publishing document.
20:15:12 <kcoyle> ... next milestone is November 14. Deadline for comments is October 31. That gives us one week
20:15:21 <SimonCox> q
20:15:29 <kcoyle> ... to moved to proposed recommendation (which is very fast)
20:15:36 <SimonCox> q-
20:15:43 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: We need to elicit comments
20:15:44 <plh> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/?cr=2019-10-03&noFPWD=true
20:16:00 <kcoyle> ... what is the normal process for eliciting comments?
20:16:19 <kcoyle> plh: at this point you have already solicited from the community at large
20:16:36 <kcoyle> ... now its getting comments from implementers
20:17:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: it is in our interest to get comments as early as possible
20:17:09 <kcoyle> ... anything else we need to bear in mind?
20:17:41 <kcoyle> plh: 31st is a Thursday, so working group has to decide on Tuesday, so you have start on 29th of October
20:18:06 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Thanks to plh for helping us in this
20:18:15 <kcoyle> topic: conneg
20:18:39 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: last week we recognized that we were getting good comments on Conneg
20:18:57 <kcoyle> ... working to see if we could respond in time to go to CR
20:19:13 <kcoyle> ... turned out that there was more to do so could not go to CR in time
20:19:25 <kcoyle> ... options are noted in the agenda
20:19:56 <kcoyle> ... the ones that would lead to the best outcome are contingent on re-chartering of working group
20:20:13 <kcoyle> ... DCAT v2 goes ahead and then goes into maintenance mode
20:20:38 <kcoyle> ... before end of October need to refresh the charter with a new draft and present to w3c
20:20:47 <kcoyle> ... this would re-charter at the end of the year
20:21:35 <kcoyle> ... are people up for this? working on the new draft
20:21:51 <kcoyle> ... means we could continue with Conneg and it would go forward in the new charter
20:22:18 <kcoyle> ... will be a simple roll-over of membership including invited experts (as long as charter doesn't change significantly)
20:22:34 <kcoyle> ... any comments? questions?
20:23:06 <kcoyle> ... Lars is positive about this route so that Conneg can be completed
20:23:47 <kcoyle> ... if we don't do this, then Conneg becomes a note
20:23:50 <kcoyle> q+
20:24:15 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:24:33 <SimonCox> q+
20:24:57 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: comment - we need also to make a decision about whether we are going to consider the profiles guidance as a 'recommendation'
20:25:06 <PWinstanley> ... perhaps a discussion in email
20:25:47 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: profiles guidance in scope of charter, so could be rec track in new charter
20:26:19 <kcoyle> plh: could be included, if group supports it
20:26:38 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:26:56 <kcoyle> kcoyle: depends on what future the group sees on it
20:27:33 <kcoyle> SimonCox: concerned about evergreen of DCAT being mixed with conneg and profGui
20:28:06 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: re-charter without change is easy; otherwise it's a different kind of work
20:28:35 <kcoyle> SimonCox: it's the DCAT work that is different and needs a different type of direction
20:28:41 <plh> q+
20:29:16 <PWinstanley> ack plh
20:29:49 <kcoyle> plh: doing rechartering with same items, is not a problem.
20:30:05 <kcoyle> ... would need to convince W3C that it needs a separate group for conneg and profiles
20:30:19 <kcoyle> ... doesn't say anything about how you are doing the work
20:30:34 <kcoyle> ... w3c may not go for that
20:30:51 <kcoyle> q+
20:31:07 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:31:32 <SimonCox> q+
20:31:40 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: based on what plh  says, if we rewrite the charter with dcat being evergreen and moving to v3, can we change the wording ?
20:31:57 <PWinstanley> plh: yes, that's fine.  the concern is the *scope* of the WG
20:32:15 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: hopefully we will have a draft soon for comment
20:32:45 <PWinstanley> plh: the charter doesn't influence how the group works on a day to day basis
20:33:02 <PWinstanley> plh: my advice is not to change the scope
20:33:41 <PWinstanley> ... I can give the verifiable claims where there is a shell WG to validate the work of a community group
20:34:06 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we've got things to think about
20:34:18 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:34:54 <kcoyle> SimonCox: reason why I raise issue: at least we would want to separate the repositories - getting overwhelmed by github notices
20:35:21 <kcoyle> ... because it's all in same gh repo it's annoying
20:35:32 <kcoyle> ... coupling of work not as tight as originally conceived
20:35:46 <kcoyle> plh: organization of gh repo does not have anything to do with the charter
20:35:47 <annette_g> Simon has a good point.
20:36:09 <kcoyle> ... some considerations (technical, we can go over later)
20:36:37 <kcoyle> ... cons is you will not have the same list of issues, so have to copy them over?
20:36:47 <kcoyle> ... forking doesn't copy issues
20:37:00 <kcoyle> ... have to copy and close
20:37:33 <kcoyle> q+
20:37:51 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:38:37 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: something for email or a future meeting is to decide what we might want to do in terms of changing procedures, esp re: PR and issues for closing for plenary meetings
20:39:01 <PWinstanley> ... sometimes issues are closed without full group consideration
20:39:12 <PWinstanley> ... we need to review the process
20:39:30 <SimonCox> now would be a good time to split the repositories because the DCAT issue-list has been cleaned up a lot and would be easier now than at any time in the last two years!
20:39:49 <kcoyle> good point, Simon
20:40:37 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: yes, discuss with fuller group, and with Simon's point about github
20:41:00 <SimonCox> q?
20:41:21 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: propose to close meeting now; we seem to know where we are with DCAT and are getting
20:41:30 <kcoyle> ... a good handle on Conneg
20:42:15 <kcoyle> ... try to get Conneg to CR in the next 6 weeks or so
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20:43:01 <kcoyle> ... need a clear target for Conneg
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