<Rachael> clear agenda
<scribe> scribe:lisaseemankest
<Abi> my mic isn't working but I can scribe
<Rachael> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage
actions:
janinas actin still pending
jastine will send an email on hers
glossary - short staffed this week, but hopefuly next week
<Abi> I can hear everyone but you can't hear me
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11IKqjRFvkRd2dAfUiyc5whhB3yIYXvSiirWct7KQIB0/edit#gid=0
<Rachael> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/PlanningPage
john has done next stage of getting coga feedback, now needs ag feedback
<johnkirkwood> Undo errors
<johnkirkwood> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pcg6ixAfuwlo6jb2tkZBGTDhF0fAiO49h21E6HCbQ6I/edit#heading=h.s1rdduthbnva
john r asks what s going on about waifinding
<Rachael> JohnK: Undo errors link is above. There is some feedback that may need to be done. Good for commenting.
<Rachael> ...There is confusion about the indoor/outdoor wayfinding comments. I added comments to the indoor paper. I need to check the status of the outdoor wayfinding.
<scribe> scribe:lisaseemankest
<Rachael> John R: We had agreed to do separate papers and then combine them.
<Rachael> ack: LisaSeemanKest
<Rachael> Lisa: Last week we went through the status on issue papers. I had a link to the one from John R. We thought John K had things to add through the google docs. Way to move forward, might be to have it in the Google Docs. Is that OK with you?
<johnkirkwood> +1
<Rachael> ...Or do you prefer to have it in HTML? But not sure how to gather feedback from others in group.
<Rachael> John R: The wayfinding paper has been done for a long time. If others want to contribute by comments, that is fine. John and I will get together by phone later today to discuss how best to write John's paper.
<Rachael> Lisa: Are you OK with it as a google docs?
<Rachael> John R: Its in a google doc now.
<JohnRochford> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11C_kmCtPrzwJjrKDmHJAd8LCQEMCW-Mi9dEVoF9CG78/edit
<johnkirkwood> great
john had it already as a google doc
<JohnRochford> By "john" Lisa means "John Rochford".
david machdonald stated afordence sc, but needs somone to head the group
(lisa does not have spell check on irc)
lisa: we can give gidence to abi is she wants to head it
<JohnRochford> Lisa, I just requested edit access to the WayFinding issue paper on Google docs (URL above). For some reason, I don't have it.
abi: probebly beter to have someone more used to wcag on it
rahceal: david macdonald can help
lAbi will take a look
silver: protoypes only lisa made a bit of progess
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kD1zq1CSvrIB154R9WzdZX-T9YD5Ydct1Yky2wppeyI/edit
(lisa's proposal)
anyone able - to take up mantal health
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G9SJSiAT-SYDVNxBfwOe7A6VPqsmX4Ua0QT7-NrfQTA/edit
rachael: seeing what new reserch is there
lisa: when web stafe make thing worse
<Rachael> Lisa: research on continuous interruptions
<Rachael> ...design choice to allow people to opt into notifications. Mode to focus, mode to check environment with threats. Notifications can put someone into mode of looking for threats.
rachael: issues with anxity
<Rachael> Rachael: Anxiety?
DAVID taking it on!!!!
ABI: cross over with working memory and attention
etsi standad mobile group is making a mappin g
Lisa: we have mapping at a the end of the reaserch module
rachael: please pass on reaserch and put it in the comments
janina: this is part of the core
of how technologies today
... and we need to document this. critical
... shopping is intruped even for pelople who are blind, and
you lose what you are doing
buy the wrong thing
<Fazio> +1 to Janina
there is a book "deep work" on the topic
<Rachael> Lisa: This issue paper is important. Technology is becoming ubiquitous. If it is increasing mental health issues, we need to document that. This issue paper will need to be version 1.
<Rachael> Lisa: If we are increasing people suffering from anxiety, there is a large impact.
<Rachael> ack: Fazio
david: we try and lump everythign together - fatege, memory etc... why are they dumped together?
<johnkirkwood> +1 to DF
<johnkirkwood> +1
john r: we fcus on function rather then clincal. where is the new function
<Fazio> bipolar disorder effects memory
<Fazio> stress blocks memory cell generation in the brain
<Rachael> Lisa: Some historical because of template. We focused on depression and anxiety. Reduces focus.
<Fazio> so that makes sense
<Rachael> ...that is why we found overlap. The overlap is enormous. Also PTSD was included.
<Rachael> ..depression reduces memory. You give up much quicker. Cognitive load problem. Maybe we should call it attention problems. Often there is overlap. Don't throw them out, but maybe lower down.
<johnkirkwood> memory, attention, learning
<Rachael> ...maybe safety should be first.
<JohnRochford> Here is a link to the primary cognitive functions we have addressed: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/coga/wiki/Gap_Analysis/autism#Cognitive_functions
david: that makes sence, to start with functions\
maybe a breidf overview explaining that
stress bloacks the brain from making new memory cells
also https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-user-research/#research-on-cognitive-function
rachael: silver is asking - would some voices triger anxity
janina - a charicterstic of how things are coming accross
john r: it might be the emotion atteched to the voice- the inflection
David: this is part of web personlization
<Rachael> Lisa: Capturing personalization as part of this is important.
<janina> +1 to John. Note that theatrical actors practice at learning how to trigger the full range of human emotional response as part of their artistic expertise.
<Rachael> https://docs.google.com/document/d/17lC7W9t-mV2ikRBlK4qhJN3Q13rA8yYZ7mcA-mcUqC8/edit?usp=sharing
proposal from bbc
<Rachael> Use a font style that is appropriate to your audience. Minimise the occurrence of imposter letter shapes that are designed to be very similar to other letter shapes as part of the typeface’s visual style. Minimise the occurrence of mirroring letter shapes. Letters should be easily distinguishable from one another. Humanist typefaces are generally more legible at smaller sizes than grotesque typefaces. Ensure the typeface has adequate letter spacing. Ther[CUT]
rachael - some can be testable
a some less so
<JohnRochford> +q
<Rachael> ack #
abi: pragmaticly - evidence is inconsitent and will be contisouse, and contradictory reaserch
rachael we have a lot on our plate for scs
john r: he asked gatherth about testing the bbc font
<Rachael> Lisa: 1. to what extent is this usability? That would be a concern. We mostly do things that stop people. Most of ours are barriers. I am completely stuck because of this.
<Rachael> ...I'm not sure where the line is that font makes it impossible to read.
<JohnRochford> By "testing" I mean comprehension testing.
<Rachael> ...it may be that we can incorporate into our design guide. 2. If we do want to move forward, I think a good place to incorporate this would be CSS. Enable a font that ...
<Rachael> ....allow users to pick their own font.
<Rachael> ...research here and Microsoft as well, showed spacing after comma and full stop helps. Enabling user to select their own font and change spacing is very important. Ideal way. That completely bypasses the issue Abi raised because people pick the font that works for them.
<Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask Lisa whether she thinks a css-aam might help solve font and typographic spacing issues?
john r: coga groups prefer large text, maybe becuse it crouds out distraction
janina: accessibility mapping for css is a strong possiblity
<Fazio> we did font dtudies on kids with dyslexia for a global fast food corp last year results were super varied
<Rachael> Janina: Make sure it gets on issue list for AAM to manage that. CSS meeting with ARIA and APA.
<Fazio> again we personalization is the solution
css meeitn with aria and apa with css - we should add to the list
janina/lisa action
lisa: coga and gareth in the loop
<Fazio> a11y Director wanted to implement user profile capability were personalization was paramount
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