Chemistry for the Web and Publishing -- 22 Aug 2019

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George: we now have linked from out community page our github page and minutes

Dan and Jason will work offline to address getting the agenda set up in future meetings

Minutes approved from last meeting

Dan and Carrie will be presenting on this group at the ISLAND conference

Jason will also be presenting at ISLAND

Jason's session will introduce people with the standards work around MathML and the intersection with assistive technology

Neil: suggested that beyond just reading math or chemistry content, the next step is actually being able to do the work (balance equations, etc.)

Jason will address some of that--both reading and writing expressions in math

Emily (by phone) mentions drawing chemical diagrams

George: Mentoned math detective and mathshare (Neil's project)

Jason: this discussion may pertain to our gap analysis work
... The ISLAND conference is October 4-5 in Huntsville
... please let him know of any new work in this area so he can be sure to mention in his session

Next agneda item: Dan, the gap analysis of what is needed in the chemistry community to provide accessibility

Carrie: We need to develop use case scenarios, such as chemical content rendering in DAISY books

Jason: We may want to consider a more formal gap analysis of what is needed in the field to provide complete chemistry accessibility, esp. from people in the chemistry field.
... for instance the neede to disambiguate the name of chemical compunds
... also, how do you make the accessing and creation of chemical formulas, and how to manipulate them
... also consider the emerging tactile display technology

George: Maybe identify all the current methods, audio recordings, images plus alt text, collection of chemical support items from APH

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Emily: there are a number of existing tactile graphics, but they are low tech

Carrie: however, not much in the way of digital content

Neil: what about taking visual tactiles and converting them to digital format?

Carrie: that has potential, but needs some form of standardization

Steve: VITaL are working haptic image access in tablets

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Carrie: That may not be a practical solution, because fingers go numb after a while
... digital image capture from something like a draftsman, he has used it, but it is still in development

Jason: some type of editor that allows something like an accessible palette editor for chemical components

George: what about chemical legos?

Jason: columbus state university researcher that is doing lego implementation of the periodic table, but we need more

Actually that was Carrie who mentioned the last item

Carrie: Molly-mods in UK that makes something like a ball and stick items for such manupulable

Emily: they also have different sizes and shapes (not just colors)
... in the past the baseline accessible practice was simply having a content expert describe everything

Dan: 3d models are still in use and have value
... how is this moving up closer?

Carrie: once we have digitized the model concept for chemistry, we could standardize the ability to recognize structures digitally. Student could make a response with a 3d modle or a tactile, and then have that recognized. The "sapling" model to recognize drawings.

Dan: will check on Sapling

Carrie:

Jason: what about showing the steps of solving a problem?

Carrie: the solution would need to show each step as the model is modified and capture a series of pictures as the model is added to

Jason: this could be a potential solution, and could be worked on

George: Next agenda: possible next steps on use cases, could be done on imageshare, where we capture common examples from high school chemistry textbooks and show how it would be doen. Would this be useful?

Dan: Some of this has been done.

George: It would be good to organize these

Dan has been given the go-ahead to work on this

Franco: we have also shared some of what we do

Jason: If there is a cononocal list of chemical images that all students should be familiar with, we should consider putting that together.
... also need to consider generating tactile images from things like ChemML or MOL.
... If people would find that useful, we could look at that

Carrie: there was some work on using ChemDraw to pull a 3-d drawing. It has a braille font, which acn be used to create a tactile.

Carrie will send details to the list

Dan: the need to collect these resources and make sure they are all in one place

Jason: this would help in the first step of the gap analysis
... should we craete a wiki page?

Dan: I will pull what I have already done.

George: we should already have a wiki page

Jason: siggestion: let's start populating that page with what we no now

George seconds that

Carrie will send Dan what he has

Dan and Carrie will work on getting the IRC propely setup

Sept 19 sounds like a good tiem for the next meeting - George will sent an invite

Neil: we don't have chemistry on the MathML refresh meeting coming up

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Chemistry for the Web and Publishing

22 Aug 2019

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