Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference -- 26 Jul 2019

<Brent> Scribe: Sharron

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<trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 26 July 2019

<shawn> AHG survey results https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/EO-2019-F2F-Input/results#xahg19

<estella> I just got the information that in 2020 we will held the TVX conference "https://www.i2cat.net/i2cat-host-acm-tvx-2020/" as a proposal for a conference in Europe

<scribe> Chair: Brent

<scribe> Scribe: Sharron

<shadi> estella looks interesting! particularly for APA WG

Update - Eval Videos

Shadi: Shadi we have outlines, am in discussion with video production companies. Soon will have drafts of the scripts for these short pieces and there is an issue for group consideration.
... there are several moving parts and so as yet is let specific until I get some input to help set direction. The amount of videos - 5 to intro eval resources, and then 10 sub videos for the EasyChecks, less than a minute each.
... so even though 15-20 minutes of total time, it requires more budget to make a number of small pieces than we had anticipated. Options:

<yatil> Agenda link for reference: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_Meetings#26_July_Agenda

Shadi: we could explore doing the top 5 as animations (and there are many levels of animation to consider)
... the other 10 could be in another style, wha tis called "screencasts" that show the process by capturing the browser display. It could bring down the price a bit but would result in two different styles.

<yatil> +1 screencasts for EasyChecks sounds right for me

Shadi: another option is to use a person speaking about the topic and then very simple illustrations would appear. That would lower the cost and make the style consistent among all.
... or we could reduce the number of videos altogether.
... another option would be to go forward as planned, spend a largr proportion of the budget on the eval resources and have less for future projects.

<Laura> +1

<estella> +1 screencasts for EasyChecks

<Vicki> Option 1 sounds good with screencasts for Easychecks

Brent: The idea of the screencasts is the best, most effective way to tell the story in any case. A quick view intro of how to do the check.

<estella> +1 to Brent comments

Laura: I support that as well.

<Lewis> +1 to screencast on easy checks

KrisAnne: I like the idea of screen casts as well over animations

<Howard> +1 for screencasts from EasyChecks

Shadi: Great, this does help me. If you know anyone who does this. It is funded by a European sponsor so it must be someone who works internationally.
... this is what I need, survey with the scripts will be coming soon.

<Vicki> Shadi in hollywood

Brent: Thanks Shadi for this good work and providing the options.

Media resource

<shawn> https://wai-media-guide.netlify.com/design-develop/media/

<shawn> historu of updates https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Accessible_Media_Resource#History

Shawn: Thanks for those who have provided review. Aware that there is a history of updates linked here in teh minutes. People look at different times, those who checked early may want to review what has changed more recently. Will keep updating as significant changes are made.

<shawn> for EOWG comment https://github.com/w3c/wai-media-guide/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22for+EOWG+comment%22

Shawn: There have been many issues that we can resolve as editors but need a few more comments on some of them
... please review and add to these as you have input and interest. Will discuss

<shawn> https://github.com/w3c/wai-media-guide/issues/81

Media - check box like bullets

<shawn> example https://wai-media-guide.netlify.com/design-develop/media/planning/#--video-checklists

Shawn: It is issue #81. Wanted to differentiate, but depending on how people percive they may expect ti to be clickable.

<shadi> +1 to laura

Laura: Curious about having the check box being not clickable has potetnial for confusing people

Sharron: +1

<estella> +1

<estella> Having both might be distracting

Shawn: (without editor hat) I agree that if the really look like a check box it would be a problem but the color and presentaiton makes it not look that way to me.

Laura: You could fill them in, to be solid and bit smaller.
... like a square bullet

<Zakim> dmontalvo, you wanted to say do we want to functionally implement filters on that page? If no, I would use plain bullets.

<Howard> +1 to square bullet

Daniel: Looking at the functional aspect, do we want to use filters here? If not, just use plain bullets. As a screen reader user, I have no issues with how it is now.

<Vicki> +1 to bullets

Vicki: You have the problem of looking very like checkboxes and learned behavior realted to it.

Shadi: You have so many great icons and graphics on a WAI page, so letting this one go should not be too bad Maybe use an arrow or something.

<Brent> How do people feel about a checkmark or tick? Instead of an open box

Estella: Agree with Shadi, great that you have been able to integrate so many visual aspects. But having both checkboxes and bullets si quite confuisng.

<yatil> BTW, this would be our normal second level bullet: https://dsc.cloud/yatil/Screenshot-2019-07-26-at-15.05.43

Shawn: If we just replaced the checkboxes with bullets as in the above paragraph there wuld not be enough distinction, is that what you are saying?

Estella: yes

Shawn: Encourage people to look throogh the request for examples and share them. I will keep you posted on any other changes.

<shawn> Terminology - Audio Description / Video Description / Described Video https://github.com/w3c/wai-media-guide/issues/75

Shawn: more FYIs, places whare the changes are documented for your review
... terminology
... can skim that section to see if you ahve quetions but mostly just to get in sync on the background.
... questions or comments?

Laura: Is there a distinction between audio description and video description?

Shawn: They are interchangable, they mean the same thing

Estella: There are instances of live description which are not for recorded media, audio description was used for that.

<shawn> There are also live descriptions of visual information - way before videos..

<shawn> Level of detail to include and links to outside resources: https://github.com/w3c/wai-media-guide/issues/30

Shawn: Updated issue #30 with real check boxes
... Also spoke about images, don't have the revisions yet, hope to have it by next time.

Brent: Thans Shawn, any addiitonal questions or comments on this topic?
... thanks for all the work on that really looking good.

Outreach

Brent: We have spoken about this several times at F2F meetings and in meetings. We have a couple of things that could be reached out about:

<shawn> quick ref https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Promoting_Quick_Ref#July_draft_tweet

Shawn: The first one is the QuickRef, welcome your input on the tweet and support for the outreach.

<Vicki> +1 on tweet

<Lewis> +1

<shadi> +1 laura

<estella> +1 Laura

Laura: The full title is long in the tweet, can it be shortened?

<yatil> [ Take a look at the updated Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) Quick Reference, a way to tailor the WCAG 2 success criteria to your specific project. Please Retweet! #a11y #wcag]

Howard: Would be better to say what teh updates are

Shawn: Many have been unaware of it entirely so may not need to get into detail

<yatil> [ The Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) Quick Reference, a way to tailor the WCAG 2 success criteria to your specific project, has been updated to include the latest techniques. It is also loads quicker now and features improved scrolling. Please Retweet! #a11y #wcag ]

Eric: A few conceptual changes to interface, some performance changes so it may not be useful to get in the weeds of these specific changes

<Brent> I like it except "loads". to much slang

<estella> I like it better

Shawn: I like this approach, does anyone have thoughts about the fact that people did not even know about it a t all.

<Vicki> tut tut @yatil... you have to tell your friends

Laura: I agree with Brent in IRC, but would leave out the reference to loading since it talks about a past problem.

Howard: 2.1 is a nice hook would think it could be included and if you want less text in the tweet could have a link to more detail about what the changes were.

<shawn> outreach on translations https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Promoting_WAI_Translations#July_draft_tweet

Shawn: Outreach on translation is here
... the goal is to get people who know those languages to share those tweets.

<Vicki> Impressive

Shawn: Would like to be shared among Spanish organziations that serve people with disabilities etc.
... Spanish is the first language for which we have enough translated resources and navigation to think about doing serious outreach.

<Laura> +1 I like it.

Shawn: Any further comments or questions?
... thanks all.

Brent: We will be sending out the final text and ask for your support in getting out the word.

Authoring Tools list

Brent: We will be adding this resource and Hidde is the editor. We discussed in the planning meeting now have a requirements doc.

<Brent> https://github.com/w3c/wai-authoring-tools/wiki/Requirements-Analysis:-Authoring-Tools-List

<Vicki> https://github.com/w3c/wai-authoring-tools/wiki/Requirements-Analysis:-Authoring-Tools-List

Shadi: We have a list of eval tools and we made an attempt several years ago to do the same with authoring tools. We found two challenges - which filters can we use (ATAG? too complex? Simpler?) and how to keep the list maintained.

Brent: You can follow along as we review the requirements doc and next week we will discuss in more detail.
... want to be sure we define clearly and specifically enought to avoid scope creep and don't leave out essential elements.

Shadi: We want to stay vendor neutral while encouraging authoring tool makers to meet requirements. Will have a disclaimer "The info is provided by the vendor, not WAI" and are considering the broad array of tools that might be perceived as an authofring tool. The way we ask questions can skew the outcomes. Want to be sure we have the right kind of clarifications as we collect info about specific

products.

Brent: And there may be risks we are not aware of.
... what are your high level reactions? And you will have time for more considered response as you review during the week. Please make the time to do that.

Shadi: The evaluation tools list resource needs updating and Eric has shared the code so they are aligned and will be more integrated into the style of the current website.
... any reactions to the new reaource?

Estella: How do you want us to provide the information?

Brent: Will add to work for this week and ask everyone to review and keep notes for a meeting next week.
... following the meeting, we will post a weekly survey and invite comments there.

<shadi> Hidde de Vries <hidde@w3.org>

Shadi: Right now we have no specific questions but are asking for high level conceptual feedback. You can use GitHub if you wish to post comments as issues. Also will be, as Brent said, a follw-up survey, and can send direct feedback to Hidde. This is a good time to provide input.Will eventually have mockups but for now it is conceptual.

Estella: This seems a very technical resource and process. I do not have the technical background so I want to be sure I understand how you want comments.

Wrap-up

Brent: There is a current survey open, will want that completed by Tuesday. Another one for 2020 face to face meetings

<Vicki> Brent: please add a European destination to the survey. There are already several options on the F2F page.

Brent: will be updates to W4TW and appreciate your attention and active participation.

Laura: Wanted to let Shadi know that we are doing a presentation and will use Shadi's video to introduce higher management to the issue.

<shadi> great to hear!

Laura: I watched it again this morning and it hits all the right notes, happy to be able to use it.

<estella> +1 to Vicky

Vicki: Can we add a European F2F meeting?

Brent: Are you saying add a destination and a date?

<yatil> ICCHP 2020 is happening, too

Shadi: And Estella added a suggestion, and it is always good to know the organizers.

<shadi> +1 estella

Estella: And the conference itself may be of interest as well.

<Vicki> Sold

<Vicki> There is always time for a siesta

<shadi> +1 vicki

Brent: Sounds good, any other new business?
... thanks for sharing the way you are using the resources.

Laura: Putting the slides together, I happened on the video and decided it was a great encapsulation of what I wanted to say.

<Vicki> Bon weekend!

Brent: Thanks all, have a good weekend.

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Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference

26 Jul 2019

Attendees

Contents

Update - Eval Videos

Media resource

Media - check box like bullets

Outreach

Authoring Tools list

Wrap-up

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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