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WoT-IG/WG

17 Jul 2019

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Taki_Kamiya, Michael_Lagally, Takahisa_Suzuki, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Zoltan_Kis, Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Michael_Koster, Toru_Kawaguchi, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ege_Korkan, Sebastian_Kaebisch
Regrets
Chair
McCool
Scribe
zkis, kaz

Contents


<kaz> scribenick: zkis

<McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#17_July_2019

Quick updates

McCool: TPAC registration and hotel reservation, if you've not done yet, please do.
... next week IETF meeting. not sure if I can chair the main call next week. If not possible, Kaz can chair the call instead.
... archived the proposals in the IG repo
... files can be moved in and out
... will speak on Conexxus strategy conference about WoT and IoT in retail

Minutes from workshop and f2f in Munich

McCool: Kaz has finished the minutes for the F2F
... if you see errors, please tell Kaz

<kaz> workshop minutes

<kaz> f2f minutes

Review feedback

Sebastian: TAG had review of WoT architecture

McCool: privacy protection has to come from higher level than TD, so it's hard to evaluate the privacy implications

<inserted> July-17 TAG agenda

<inserted> PING comment

McCool: we don't have means to protect privacy
... PING is interested to work on the directory API with WoT WG/IG

Lagally: we didn't include any mandatory API at this point
... an API may not be specified in this charter period

McCool: emphasize TD is just a data format
... but we should commit to working with PING on any future development, e.g. an API spec

Koster: API means a resource type definition; we need an end to end system to tell privacy implications

McCool: the spec says privacy should be controlled by the actions defined
... there is also a possible Discovery API, and others as well (management API etc)
... See TD issue #794

<kaz> TD issue 794 (PING comment)

McCool: security is in TD endpoints, we can't limit people from making devices that expose private information
... we don't make APIs for devices
... we should remain descriptive
... HTML analogy - privacy is not granted by HTML alone

Taki: In the joint PING call, we received a harsh comment for not describing protecting privacy for TD model. Therefore, it would be wise to focus our comment on the future commitment, rather than making an excuse at this point.

Sebastian: discussed with security experts in Siemens; this is a typical privacy discussion which will never find solution, concerns will appear anyway

McCool: right, it's a best effort thing, we have risk assessment and mitigation described
... this is an important topic for the next charter
... moving on with the agenda

Kaz: if they can provide several concrete points for important privacy issues, probably we need to incorporate those issues and possibly we need to publish an updated Candidate Rec. However, we should mark the issues as "v.next" if they're not fatal for the current version.
... note that we need to wrap up everything during the extension period (6 months)

TPAC / F2F planning

McCool: we should defer this to the plugfest call
... topics need to be filled in

<inserted> f2f wiki

McCool: please edit the wiki page

Next IG charter

McCool: feedback from Alan Bird

<kaz> scribenick: kaz

IG Charter draft

Alan's comment (member-only)

McCool's PR for Alan's comment

McCool: (shows the changes)

Changes

McCool: industry vertical potion
... getting Michael Lagally's input

Lagally: suggesting reword
... "including PlugFests for specific vertical industries"
... to
... "including interoperability events for specific vertical industries"

Sebastian: what about "Hackathon" instead of PlugFest?

McCool: "organize and run interoperability testing events, including events for specific vertical industries,"?
... implementations to be collected
... we don't have official conformance testing
... on the other hand, we have online testing events as well
... plugfest is for testing interoperability
... (saves the updated text)
... group agrees to my suggested change above
... and the next comment from Lagally
... "would change the order a bit and put SDOs and industry alliances higher in the rank"

Lagally: also we should have community guys as well

McCool: how about SDOs first?
... then industry alliances
... and then providers
... SDOs are grouped with industry alliances
... alliances are also grouped with providers

Lagally: ok

McCool: next Wendy's comment

Sebastian: deadline?

Kaz: there is a specific procedure
... W3M review first (we're here) and then AC review next
... AC review takes one month

Wendy's comment

Kaz: do you want to respond to Wendy's comment as well as Alan's?

McCool: good question
... putting a comment to Wendy's GitHub issue

McCool's response

Next WG Charter

McCool: should discuss the updated WG Charter next time with Matthias

[Kaz's note: the current WoT WG Charter has been extended till Dec-31. AC announcement has been sent out. also the WoT WG Charter document has been updated accordingly.]

Profile discussion

McCool: main issue is timing
... when to add it
... reopen the CR spec and add it now?
... or defer to v.next?

Lagally: I'm not suggesting we reopen the spec now
... rather would propose to create a separate document

Sebastian: would be good to have some concrete proposal based on slides

Lagally: we already had discussion but can provide some

Profile discussion last week

Lagally: we can use the half of the Architecture call tomorrow for the profile discussion

Sebastian: I'll be travelling tomorrow

McCool: would be better to discuss it during the TD call Friday then

Lagally: ok

TF report

McCool: we're out of time, anything important to report today?

(none)

PlugFest call

Sebastian: PlugFest call today?

McCool: Michael Lagally will moderate it after this call

Lagally: in 5 mins
... stay on this webex
... and use "#wot-pf" IRC channel

[adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

[End of minutes]

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