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23 May 2019

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Carlos, audrey, Wilco, Kasper
Regrets
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John

Contents


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Additional validations for rules #553

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/553

<Wilco> https://circleci.com/gh/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/1292?utm_campaign=vcs-integration-link&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=github-build-link

WF: Jay's been working on validation step in the rules. Example mpm test on circleci.com.

npm

A collection of tests that will run every time we make a pull request

(on gh)

guarantees correct format for the tests.

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/553

Jay's suggestions for additional tests (find in backlog)

Remove "comply to WCAG" assumptions #549

(leave ideas for new tests in issue 553 (previous issue))

BB: had suggested adding this, but WF thought to remove it

WF: concern with how someone can know wcag compliance, risk of false false positives

BB: assumption feels like a patchwork solution , but if we want to remove the assumption then we have to have a good description

WF: need something that non experts are able to use

BB: applicability and expectations need to change : test only the things that apply to wcag

WF: not suggesting that we change applicability, but to make better descriptions (549)

CD: agree with wilco

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/549

<Wilco> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/6a7281

WF: a similar rule, aria states and props being used to comply to wcag
... 2nd assumption in the above link

BB: yes, all of these assumptions should be expanded to state what that means

WF: volunteers ?

JH: can work on this

Failed example not working for rule "No keyboard trap standard navigation" #494

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/494

WF: so, the claim is that there is no keyboard trap here

<Kasper> Apologies for the delay!

A : well, i don't understand the example

A : JS solution that seems to work .

A : will submit

AM:

Issue with rule "Label and name from content mismatch" (2ee8b8) #493

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/493

<Wilco> https://act-rules.github.io/rules/2ee8b8

WF: we miss a test case for writing out numbers
... if the visual text is a number, a numeral, spelled out in the accessible name, is that going to work ?

BB: can't differentiate between them with voice command software ; but how to test in multi lang situations

CD: even numbers will be read in the language of the SR

WF: if you use the number 2 , then it should be the same in the accessible name , as far as the SC is concerned
... should be the same sequence of characters

CD: agree

WF: who wants to test this with Dragon ?

<crickets>

WF: I will work on this

<audrey> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/label-in-name#mathematical-expressions-and-formulae

AM: examples of numbers written in letters does not seem to be a problem

CD: but may create issues for translation

WF: two and two should not pass

More scalable approach to test cases? #480

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/480

KI: it really boils down to : test cases are good, and we need more, but also that the current approach does not lend itself to large numbers of test cases
... large numbers of markdown files would be an issue

WF: is this a real problem though, so far the test cases we have written are not to verify that an implementation is bug free
... more about confirming the presence of the higher level
... more test cases means greater cost (maintenance) . These are the 2 reasons that we try to keep the test cases down

KI: the point is to cater to the point (for example) of the edge cases ; we comment on the issues, but this seldom makes it into the test case.

to avoid losing what is discussed, and creating test cases based on discussions

WF: but this would not necessarily lead to the number of test cases exploding

KI: there are some rules with 10 to 15 test cases ... so quite high

WF: is the concern the MD file or is it the presentation of it ? with more than 4 it would be good to collapse them down

KI: the problem I see it is more to do with merge conflicts
... different people adjusting test cases. Example :

<Kasper> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pull/477

WF: test cases outside of the rules will be a complexification for authours, and create an awful lot of files

KI: true, and dealing with merge conflicts might be preferable to dealing with separate files

WF: so, good point, and the number of test cases will continue to grow, but it should not be the visual presentation that governs the number.
... so we should find a way to collapse the test cases , but keep them in a single file

KI: ok for me

Closing the Auto-WCAG CG #564

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/564

WF: after a month, it is time to announce the closure of auto-wcag stuff. Thoughts from the group?

CD: has been enough time, people who are involved should be aware of it

WF: will send a notification.... during 2 weeks ?

CD: fair

AM: ok

Reviewers wanted #462

<Wilco> https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+review%3Arequired+

WF: please take a look at these pull requests

Final call #461

WF: please look at changes

Final thoughts

AM: thanks, great talk, still looking through test cases

BB: a ok

KI: no update on changelog updates , but can find some time

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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