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DXWG CNEG Subgroup Telecon

13 March 2019

Meeting minutes

<roba> me too..

<roba> * my test audio worked

confirm agenda

<roba> +1

+1

<roba> proposed: confirm minutes https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌02/‌20-dxwgcneg-minutes

+1

<roba> +1

Resolved: accept minutes https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌02/‌20-dxwgcneg-minutes

open actions https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌products/‌4

action-235?

<trackbot> action-235 -- Rob Atkinson to Create sequence diagram from abstract model and definitions -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌235

roba: came up with a crude diagram (PPT style)
… is that useful?
… and should I create a PR?

LarsG: perhaps better to create an issue and discuss the diagram there

Action: roba to create an issue for sequence diagram

<trackbot> Created ACTION-312 - Create an issue for sequence diagram [on Rob Atkinson - due 2019-03-20].

close action-235

<trackbot> Closed action-235.

action-291?

<trackbot> action-291 -- Nicholas Car to Review initial "no overlap" determination and propose explanatory note -- due 2019-02-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌291

LarsG: nick isn't here, so let's ping nick about that.

Action: LarsG to ping Nick about action-291

<trackbot> Created ACTION-313 - Ping nick about action-291 [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-03-20].

action-299?

<trackbot> action-299 -- Lars G. Svensson to Remove discussion of http options from doc as per #510 -- due 2019-02-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌299

LarsG: has been done and merged

close action-299

<trackbot> Closed action-299.

action-300?

<trackbot> action-300 -- Lars G. Svensson to Update #195 to respond as initiator and prepare for closing -- due 2019-02-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌300

LarsG: addressed in https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌195#issuecomment-468197758

roba: "schema" is a role in the profiles ontology
… it's not related to conneg anymore, so we can untag the github issue

<roba> proposed: remove profile-negotiation tag from issue #195

+1

<roba> +1

Resolved: remove profile-negotiation tag from issue #195

<roba> actioned.

close action-300

<trackbot> Closed action-300.

action-301

<trackbot> action-301 -- Lars G. Svensson to Review doc and reference treatment and propose to close #45 -- due 2019-02-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌301

roba: issue 45 has been merged and closed

close action-301

<trackbot> Closed action-301.

action-302?

<trackbot> action-302 -- Lars G. Svensson to Request chairs to identify procedure for closing issues about requirement definitions and urge ucr team to consolidate and close such issues as appropriate. -- due 2019-02-27 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌302

LarsG: Has addressed chairs, resolution was that issues concerning use cases can be untagged
… if they are closed for a specific deliverable
… but they should not be closed if there are other deliverables depending
… on it.
… cf. https://‌lists.w3.org/‌Archives/‌Public/‌public-dxwg-wg/‌2019Feb/‌0617.html

close action-302

<trackbot> Closed action-302.

Action: LarsG to talk to systems team since emails from the list
… are not recorded in the action

<trackbot> Created ACTION-314 - Talk to systems team since emails from the list [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-03-20].

action-303?

<trackbot> action-303 -- Lars G. Svensson to Write up text proposal for #678 and ask kam to review -- due 2019-03-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌303

roba: action has been done
… proposal written and Kam has responded)

close action-303

<trackbot> Closed action-303.

action-304?

<trackbot> action-304 -- Lars G. Svensson to Write up some text for #662 -- due 2019-03-07 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌304

roba: has been addressed in issue #45, so we can close 304 and #662

close action-304

<trackbot> Closed action-304.

review issues due-for-closing

<roba> https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofile-negotiation+label%3A%22due+for+closing%22

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌632

LarsG: has been resolved, can be closed

roba: if it has been tagged as due-for-closing and we have no comments
… for two weeks it should be safe to close an issue

+1

roba: so we can close #632

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌592

LarsG: peter hasn't answered the question at https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌592#issuecomment-465742985 yet

roba: not much about URLs in the document (or URIs)

<roba> actually we use URI or token consistently.

roba: why don't we add a statement about URL length in the document

Action: LarsG to add a proposal for URL length into #592

<trackbot> Created ACTION-315 - Add a proposal for url length into #592 [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-03-20].

roba: and we remove the due-for-closing tag

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌422

roba: this has been addressed, so we can close

+1

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌287

roba: this has been addressed

LarsG: has been "due-for-closing" for four months...
… so we can safely close it

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌285

LarsG: this is only tagged profile-negotiation so we should be able to close it

<roba> +1

LarsG: just closed it

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌239

roba: this has been dealt with in profile negotiation so we can untag it

+1

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌205

roba: this has been dealt with in profile negotiation so we can untag it

+1

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌73

roba: this is a duplicate of #287
… so since we've untagged #287 we should be able to close #73

actioned

https://‌github.com/‌w3c/‌dxwg/‌issues/‌72

roba: we have a profile definition that is good enough for conneg
… and we can revisit that if necessary
… until then we rely on what the other groups come up with
… conneg requires a strict definition

LarsG: all conneg needs is a profile URI to negotiate on

<roba> note conneg requires current strict definition of profiles - they only add constraints - conneg requires substitutably.

<roba> "The server should attempt to reply with a profile that best matches the client request. The order of preference a server MUST follow to determine a best matching profile is: an exact match, followed by a profile (perhaps transitively) of the requested profile."

roba: we might want to strengthen the wording here

Action: LarsG to review the implications of profile transitivity wrt to IETF document

<trackbot> Created ACTION-316 - Review the implications of profile transitivity wrt to ietf document [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-03-20].

Action: roba to remove the "list tokens" part from the ED since that's not necessary any more

<trackbot> Created ACTION-317 - Remove the "list tokens" part from the ed since that's not necessary any more [on Rob Atkinson - due 2019-03-20].

roba: "cruft" is about the requirements at the bottom of the document
… referring to issues that are not open any longer
… we should check that all relevant open issues are in the document
… and should remove the rest of them

Action: LarsG to remove closed issues from the connec ED document

<trackbot> Created ACTION-318 - Remove closed issues from the connec ed document [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-03-20].

Summary of action items

  1. roba to create an issue for sequence diagram
  2. LarsG to ping Nick about action-291
  3. LarsG to talk to systems team since emails from the list
    … are not recorded in the action
  4. LarsG to add a proposal for URL length into #592
  5. LarsG to review the implications of profile transitivity wrt to IETF document
  6. roba to remove the "list tokens" part from the ED since that's not necessary any more
  7. LarsG to remove closed issues from the connec ED document

Summary of resolutions

  1. accept minutes https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌02/‌20-dxwgcneg-minutes
  2. remove profile-negotiation tag from issue #195
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by Bert Bos's scribe.perl version 2.49 (2018/09/19 15:29:32), a reimplementation of David Booth's scribe.perl. See CVS log.

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