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Introductions

mck: new member from Bocoup -- Simon Pieters (AKA zcorpan on GitHub)

<jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/March-4%2C-2019-Meeting

House keeping update

mck: Wrap up EditorConfig integration into Travis
... Question: do we want git touching all files to normalize line endings?
... prefers EditorConfig to only run on what we want it to run on
... anyone one else with EC experience?
... EC can modify any file the way it is configured

<jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/master/package.json

Evan: will only modify html & markdown files

<jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/master/.travis.yml

Evan: maybe make it nonblocking on travis and CI

Date Picker Example

<MarkMcCarthy> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/issue57-date-picker-design-pattern/aria-practices.html#date_picker

aa: placeholder disappears when end users enters any input

mck: list accessibility features on an example-by-example basis
... aria-haspopup not currently supported by AT

Simon: html has native date - how does it relate to these patterns

mck: we try to encourage use of native html when possible
... how is that native date handled?

<siri> I will keep my feedback on combobox datepicker in issue#35

Simon: when user-agent defined, what happens?

<jemma> https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/sec-forms.html#element-statedef-input-date

jg: dev doesn't like using built-in browsers because they want to control user experience
... this is about how to use aria to create widgets, not about how to use html

jn: date controls in many browsers are not accessible

mck: use minimum amount of aria to demo the point

<jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/713aa1feae522bac2b340efce0a39361d55b7a3d/draft-labelling-describing.md

Labeling and Describing Guidance

Simon: Accessible name calculation questions

jg: visible vs. nonvisible labels

mck: to what extent do we include html labeling here

<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say Isn't this covered by HTML-AAM? https://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/#accessible-name-and-description-computation why re-write it?

aa: add ranking of labelledby, label and label for

mck: w3c resource that states what makes good label?

siri: visible label is required

Future meetings and other business

No meeting March 11 due to CSUN

<MarkMcCarthy> +1 to making a decision on time change

Draft agenda for Next meeting on March 18 (https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/March-18%2C-2019-Meeting)

<mck> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/APG-Editorial-Style-Guidelines

<scribe> TOPIC: Editorial process training

mck: Discuss editorial guidelines.
... specific to APG

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Present: matt-king AnnAbbott zcorpan MarkMcCarthy evan jamesn JaeunJemmaKu jongund siri
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