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DXWG plenary Feb 26 2019
26 February 2019
<PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.02.26
agree the agenda - any comments?
<Makx> +1
<roba> +1
<ncar> +1
<DaveBrowning> 0 (not present)
PROPOSED: approve minutes of feb 19
<ncar> 0 (not present)
<Makx> +1
+1
<PWinstanley> +1
<Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
<PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/02/19-dxwg-minutes
<roba> +1
Resolved: approve minutes of feb 19
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
#295 cleaning up examples - sorted
close action-295
<trackbot> Closed action-295.
Jaroslav_Pullmann: issue #9 not yet to be closed
… makx offered helped - it's about sharing metadata and catalog information and constraints
… will chat to Makx and return next week
<Makx> ok
makx: we need better definitions
kcoyle: this is not all of the feedback
… we should look at the community comments; these are not all of the feedbacks
PWinstanley: github issues tend to be one per issue; while community issues are complex
roba: there is an active discussion around the domain of dct:format and how it is used in DCAT
… PROF followed DCAT practice
… if that's a problem, we need to deal with it
PWinstanley: Has this been acknowleged? yes
ncar: yes, brought out specific issues in github
PWinstanley: need to track what we've done so we can report to w3c
ncar: need still to finalize
… have been talking with Tom Baker
… have we actually captured their points? need to be sure
<PWinstanley> ... or is more or less satisfactory
<PWinstanley> kcoyle: the procedure is that we need to return to the people who comment and ensure that our response (the changes) either meets their needs
kcoyle: procedure is to get back to them to see if they are satisfied
PWinstanley: comments from Kam Hay Fung
ncar: initially sent an email to Lars; asked to sent to public or raise issues
… some have been addressed.
PWinstanley: how much is internal to our group and how much involved IETF?
ncar: haven't had feedback from Ruben or Herbert
… there's not specific requirement for comment from them and Lars is in contact with them to make sure we are coordinated with them
… we will need a confirmation from those working on IETF draft
PWinstanley: comments from ARDC
… mainly conneg
… is this for Lars?
roba: first round were about orientation regarding profiles
… were about profiles ontology
ncar: were clarifications, not continued issues
PWinstanley: cataloging of geo-spatial datasets is a big one for many countried
roba: a thread we need better guidance for
… need to make usage patterns more visible
<PWinstanley> ... there are general issues and we need a definitive response
<PWinstanley> kcoyle: It would be nice to get a better description of what people are needing here and what / how we should respond to that.
roba: how the documents all relate to each other
… there's an issues around design choice of profiles to follow DCAT
<PWinstanley> roba: fair point and we need to deal with them in plenary because they are about coordination between our deliverables
roba: issue around a generalized issue of a distribution
… do we regard use case of cataloging so important that we would bring metadata for cataloging into PROF
roba: I could draft a solution; would like discussion of fundamental issue - pattern in dcat relating to dct:format
… or is descriptor a proxy for thing being described
… how much we should follow the DCAT model? they could be radically different solutions
PWinstanley: DCAT work is mature; less risk to bring DCAT elements to PROF than vice-versa
alejandra: Not sure; we could lean on DCAT is already used in profiles; we need to also consider the practical terms
roba: dcat says domain of dct:format is dcat:distribution; comment from shex group is that artifact has format
… but we could force that
… if you have an RDF graph then the format is an RDF graph
… get a sense of how DCAT resolves that perspective
PWinstanley: where are we with responding to the comments from ARDC?
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Feb/0003.html
ncar: we've responded to comments; for next pwd we'll have a check to see if they've been done
PWinstanley: comments from Paul Walk
… DCMI perspective, but not offiial
ncar: there's a follow-on that we need to do
<alejandra> about dct:format and domain dcat:Distribution, it is in the DCAT spec but it is not on the RDF file (dcat.ttl) (at least I cannot find it)
ncar: goes to 3rd public working draft
… replied off-list
PWinstanley: need to do our book-keeping; moving on to issues
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/5
... do later when Antoine is here
... issue #9 - ongoing
<alejandra> it is in this milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/17
alejandra: #45 - has been added to 2nd pwd by Lars
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/5
<PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/60
roba: #60 comments doesn't seem to be resolved; dcat community has not addressed that issue
… could be useful for data qube
Jaroslav_Pullmann: seems to have no resolution
alejandra: I don't think we have discussed this on a call; we could add this to the agenda
… we can bump this up
roba: fits in with recommending other vocabularies for specific jobs
alejandra: might be a case - we did discuss research data profile; not including in current milestone
roba: comment from SHACL WG
Jaroslav_Pullmann: use case that is related to requirement is broader - semantics within the data;
… dimensions of data qube could be one
not closing #60
#70 publication control
PWinstanley: rights, etc. has been dealt with
<roba> when do we close a requirement - when we can reference a solution?
Jaroslav_Pullmann: requirement related to Uc 25 - do not think there is yet a solution; how to specify usage policies on metadata itself
… ok to copy metadata but need to synchronize
PWinstanley: #174 - non-English labels and comments
… some have been added; can this be closed?
DaveBrowning: not sure we can close so we have not been consistent in updating ttl file, will need a cleanup
Makx: when looking at new properties, only in English
PWinstanley: keep as place-marker for final clean-up
ncar: have a volunteer for other languages; better when vocabulary complete
alejandra: this is just the german translation, this brings up what to do with new properties
… brings up contributions from folks not in working group
<alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md
alejandra: need ruling on how contributions from non-group members are brought in
<PWinstanley> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Jan/0001.html
<alejandra> that page mentions something but only for Pull Requests and not for contributions on the comments
PWinstanley: comments from SHACL
roba: mainly questions about expectations; needs review of wording
PWinstanley: started voting for things on github: if there are things we can vote on, please let us know
… or could be within a working group
… outcome of votes need to be recorded in minutes
… and we need to close issues with note pointing to minutes for resolution
… sprint coming up on Thursday for profgui document
… please join in
alejandra: doing another DCAT sprint - please fill in Doodle poll
<annette_g> Thanks all!
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