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20:48:44 <kcoyle> meeting: DXWG plenary Feb 26 2019
20:48:51 <kcoyle> chair: Peter Winstanley
20:49:05 <kcoyle> regrets+ SimonCox, Antoine
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21:05:57 <kcoyle> topic: admin
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21:06:10 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.02.26
21:06:15 <kcoyle> agree the agenda - any comments?
21:06:16 <Makx> +1
21:06:23 <roba> present+
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21:06:42 <DaveBrowning> 0 (not present)
21:06:44 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: approve minutes of feb 19
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21:07:07 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/02/19-dxwg-minutes
21:07:22 <roba> +1
21:07:28 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: approve minutes of feb 19
21:07:47 <kcoyle> topic: open actions
21:08:02 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:08:23 <kcoyle> #295 cleaning up examples - sorted
21:08:30 <kcoyle> close action-295
21:08:30 <trackbot> Closed action-295.
21:08:51 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: issue #9 not yet to be closed
21:09:25 <kcoyle> ... makx offered helped - it's about sharing metadata and catalog information and constraints
21:09:38 <kcoyle> ... will chat to Makx and return next week
21:09:39 <Makx> ok
21:09:45 <kcoyle> topic: feedback
21:09:56 <kcoyle> q+
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21:12:35 <PWinstanley> q+
21:13:53 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:13:59 <PWinstanley> q-
21:14:03 <PWinstanley> q?
21:14:20 <kcoyle> makx: we need better definitions
21:14:27 <kcoyle> kcoyle: this is not all of the feedback
21:15:20 <kcoyle> ... we should look at the community comments; these are not all of the feedbacks
21:15:41 <ncar> q+
21:15:56 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: github issues tend to be one per issue; whicle community issues are complex
21:16:04 <kcoyle> s/whicle/while
21:16:41 <kcoyle> roba: there is an active discussion around the domain of dct:format and how it is used in DCAT
21:16:51 <kcoyle> ... PROF followed DCAT practice
21:17:14 <kcoyle> ... if that's a problem, we need to deal with it
21:17:35 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Has this been acknowleged? yes
21:17:57 <kcoyle> ncar: yes, brought out specific issues in github
21:18:05 <kcoyle> q+
21:18:43 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: need to track what we've done so we can report to w3c
21:18:53 <kcoyle> ncar: need still to finalize
21:19:29 <kcoyle> ... have been talking with Tom Baker
21:19:43 <kcoyle> ... have we actually captured their points? need to be sure
21:19:48 <PWinstanley> q?
21:20:04 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:20:07 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:20:52 <ncar> q+
21:20:59 <PWinstanley> ... or is more or less satisfactory
21:21:03 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:21:07 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: the procedure is that we need to return to the people who comment and ensure that our response (the changes) either meets their needs
21:21:10 <kcoyle> kcoyle: procedure is to get back to them to see if they are satisfied
21:21:48 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: comments from Kam Hay Fung
21:21:49 <ncar> q+
21:22:12 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:22:29 <kcoyle> ncar: initially sent an email to Lars; asked to sent to public or raise issues
21:23:01 <kcoyle> ... some have been addressed.
21:23:29 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: how much is internal to our group and how much involved IETF?
21:23:49 <kcoyle> ncar: haven't had feedback from Ruben or Herbert
21:24:36 <kcoyle> ... there's not specific requirement for comment from them and Lars is in contact with them to make sure we are coordinated with them
21:25:02 <kcoyle> ... we will need a confirmation from those working on IETF draft
21:25:22 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: comments from ARDC
21:25:31 <kcoyle> ... mainly conneg
21:25:41 <kcoyle> ... is this for Lars?
21:26:00 <kcoyle> roba: first round were about orientation regarding profiles
21:26:06 <kcoyle> ... were about profiles ontology
21:26:42 <kcoyle> ncar: were clarifications, not continued issues
21:27:08 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: cataloging of geo-spatial datasets is a big one for many countried
21:27:23 <kcoyle> roba: a thread we need better guidance for
21:27:30 <kcoyle> q+
21:27:51 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:27:54 <kcoyle> ... need to make usage patterns more visible
21:28:44 <PWinstanley> ... there are general issues and we need a definitive response
21:28:51 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: It would be nice to get a better description of what people are needing here and what / how we should respond to that.
21:29:12 <kcoyle> roba: how the documents all relate to each other
21:29:39 <kcoyle> ... there's an issues around design choice of profiles to follow DCAT
21:29:40 <PWinstanley> roba: fair point and we need to deal with them in plenary because they are about coordination between our deliverables
21:29:55 <kcoyle> ... issue around a generalized issue of a distribution
21:30:22 <kcoyle> ... do we regard use case of cataloging so important that we would bring metadata for cataloging into PROF
21:30:30 <PWinstanley> q?
21:31:25 <roba> q+
21:31:35 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:32:11 <kcoyle> roba: I could draft a solution; would like discussion of fundamental issue - pattern in dcat relating to dct:format
21:32:30 <kcoyle> ... or is descriptor a proxy for thing being described
21:33:00 <kcoyle> ... how much we should follow the DCAT model? they could be radically different solutions
21:33:42 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: DCAT work is mature; less risk to bring DCAT elements to PROF than vice-versa
21:33:54 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:34:36 <kcoyle> alejandra: Not sure; we could lean on DCAT is already used in profiles; we need to also consider the practical terms
21:35:19 <kcoyle> roba: dcat says domain of dct:format is dcat:distribution; comment from shex group is that artifact has format
21:35:39 <kcoyle> ... but we could force that
21:35:57 <kcoyle> ... if you have an RDF graph then the format is an RDF graph
21:36:13 <kcoyle> ... get a sense of how DCAT resolves that perspective
21:36:31 <PWinstanley> q?
21:37:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: where are we with responding to the comments from ARDC?
21:37:18 <kcoyle> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Feb/0003.html
21:37:56 <kcoyle> ncar: we've responded to comments; for next pwd we'll have a check to see if they've been done
21:38:00 <alejandra> +q
21:38:16 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: comments from Paul Walk
21:38:20 <alejandra> q-
21:38:28 <ncar> q+
21:38:31 <kcoyle> ... DCMI perspective, but not offiial
21:38:41 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:38:57 <kcoyle> ncar: there's a follow-on that we need to do
21:39:02 <alejandra> about dct:format and domain dcat:Distribution, it is in the DCAT spec but it is not on the RDF file (dcat.ttl) (at least I cannot find it)
21:39:13 <kcoyle> ... goes to 3rd public working draft
21:39:28 <kcoyle> ... replied off-list
21:40:24 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: need to do our book-keeping; moving on to issues
21:40:29 <kcoyle> topic: issues to close
21:40:53 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/5
21:41:33 <kcoyle> ... do later when Antoine is here
21:42:02 <kcoyle> ... issue #9 - ongoing
21:43:00 <alejandra> it is in this milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/17
21:43:02 <kcoyle> alejandra: #45 - has been added to 2nd pwd by Lars
21:43:27 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/5
21:43:28 <roba> q+
21:45:02 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/60
21:45:08 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:46:18 <kcoyle> roba: #60 comments doesn't seem to be resolved; dcat community has not addressed that issue
21:46:40 <kcoyle> ... could be useful for data qube
21:46:55 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: seems to have no resolution
21:47:25 <kcoyle> alejandra: I don't think we have discussed this on a call; we could add this to the agenda
21:47:36 <kcoyle> ... we can bump this up
21:47:53 <kcoyle> roba: fits in with recommending other vocabularies for specific jobs
21:48:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:48:25 <kcoyle> alejandra: might be a case - we did discuss research data profile; not including in current milestone
21:49:16 <kcoyle> roba: comment from SHACL WG
21:49:44 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:50:07 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: use case that is related to requirement is broader - semantics within the data;
21:50:21 <kcoyle> ... dimensions of data qube could be one
21:50:35 <kcoyle> not closing #60
21:50:49 <kcoyle> #70 publication control
21:51:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: rights, etc. has been dealt with
21:51:52 <roba> when do we close a requirement - when we can reference a solution?
21:51:56 <kcoyle> Jaroslav_Pullmann: requirement related to Uc 25 - do not think there is yet a solution; how to specify usage policies on metadata itself
21:52:25 <kcoyle> ... ok to copy metadata but need to synchronize
21:52:46 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: #174 - non-English labels and comments
21:52:57 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:52:58 <kcoyle> ... some have been added; can this be closed?
21:53:00 <Makx> q+
21:53:04 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:53:05 <ncar> q+
21:53:31 <alejandra> +q
21:53:35 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: not sure we can close so we have not been consistent in updating ttl file, will need a cleanup
21:53:39 <PWinstanley> ack Makx
21:54:07 <kcoyle> Makx: when looking at new properties, only in English
21:54:18 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: keep as place-marker for final clean-up
21:54:29 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:54:33 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:54:53 <kcoyle> ncar: have a volunteer for other languages; better when vocabulary complete
21:55:17 <kcoyle> alejandra: this is just the german translation, this brings up what to do with new properties
21:55:45 <kcoyle> ... brings up contributions from folks not in working group
21:56:12 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:56:19 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:56:56 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/blob/gh-pages/CONTRIBUTING.md
21:57:07 <kcoyle> ... need ruling on how contributions from non-group members are brought in
21:57:11 <PWinstanley> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Jan/0001.html
21:57:19 <alejandra> that page mentions something but only for Pull Requests and not for contributions on the comments
21:57:34 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: comments from SHACL
21:58:05 <kcoyle> roba: mainly questions about expectations; needs review of wording
21:59:30 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: started voting for things on github: if there are things we can vote on, please let us know
21:59:43 <kcoyle> ... or could be within a working group
21:59:58 <kcoyle> ... outcome of votes need to be recorded in minutes
22:00:20 <kcoyle> ... and we need to close issues with note pointing to minutes for resolution
22:00:42 <kcoyle> ... sprint coming up on Thursday for profgui document
22:00:48 <kcoyle> ... please join in
22:01:36 <kcoyle> alejandra: doing another DCAT sprint - please fill in Doodle poll
22:02:10 <annette_g> Thanks all!
22:02:15 <kcoyle> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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