Draft agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.01.09
DaveBrowning: anything from yesterday's plenary?
alejandra: 1. we need to decide today if we will do another PWD
2. need to send link to ED to group, and public list, to solicit feedback
... esp. dcat:hadRole and qualified relations
+1
<DaveBrowning> +1
<PWinstanley> +1
Action: alejandra to draft note to the list drawing attention to significant changes in ED
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<alejandra> s/significatn/significant
https://www.w3.org/2018/12/19-dxwgdcat-minutes
PWinstanley: will be briefing statistics group on DCAT next week - Stat-DCAT-AP relevance
<alejandra> Peter - is there a link to the meeting?
PWinstanley: requests inputs if available
<DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/19-dxwgdcat-minutes
<alejandra> +1
+1
<DaveBrowning> +1
<alejandra> (I chaired but seems that I forgot to put present+)
<AndreaPerego> 0 - was not there
<PWinstanley> https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cros/content/linked-open-statistical-data-european-union_en
Resolved: approve minutes of last meeting
<DaveBrowning> open actions: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
<AndreaPerego> Mine are yet to be done - with maybe the exception of https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/270
<alejandra> yes, good to keep track what we have left
DaveBrowning: everyone look at actions against name to check if still relevant
… close actions that are no longer live
PWinstanley: my actions need to stay on list
… continuous and rate
<AndreaPerego> I have to review mine but they are likely to stay on the list as well.
PWinstanley: action with danbri is nice-to-have, but not important
alejandra: must prioritize responses to comments on public list
<AndreaPerego> +1 from me to SimonCox mail
draft response here https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/267
<alejandra> I created the action raised before: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/275
Action: SimonCox to send response to Clemens and the public list (pending any last minute comments from alejandra )
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DaveBrowning: is there any further followup on Luca's mail
AndreaPerego: had action to follow up. Sent mail in December
<alejandra> I've read Simon's response to Clemens and I'm also in agreement that should be sent - thanks SimonCox
<AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/19-dxwgdcat-minutes#x06
AndreaPerego: was partially discussed in previous meeting
… trying to find mail ... Luca responded on 2018-12-10
… in some cases no action needed
… for others, need to figure out which are the relevant use-cases
… Luca mentioned they are using Hydra vocab for service-descriptions
… should add a futher example showing use of hydra
<alejandra> archives: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Dec/author.html
<alejandra> these are Andrea's comments: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Dec/0185.html
AndreaPerego: Luca indicates scope of their catalogues includes additional resource types
… do our ucs cover their requirements, or do they need to complement?
<PWinstanley> SimonCox: there is overlap with the draft I wrote to Clemens where I wrote (last para)
<PWinstanley> ... that the new DCAT vocab is unlikely to add new classes, but profiles can add new ones
<PWinstanley> ... Do we need to add some text around clarifying this point - by having the abstract class dcat:Resource people can use this as an extension point
<PWinstanley> ... but in DCAT we limit to datasets and data services
<PWinstanley> ... We provide the extension point, but will not be doing the extensions
<PWinstanley> ... So, do we need to be explicit
<AndreaPerego> +1 from me to having comments + possibly caveat about broadening too much the scope of DCAT
Do we need to clarify the scope of DCAT - datasets and data-services, but dcat:Resource provides an extension point for other types
... but these will not be part of the DCAT vocabulary
alejandra: yes - we should say this in more than one place: in the overview and also in the description of dcat:Resource
DaveBrowning: we should not steal the profiling methodology's thunder
<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment on proposed comment ;)
AndreaPerego: try to raise caveats about extending the scope of DCAT too much
<alejandra> let's create a github issue about this clarification
AndreaPerego: 1. extension point is provided
… 2. other type systems already available - e.g. DataCite
<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment about dctype
also overlap with pointers from dct:type usage
<alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/64
Action: SimonCox to create GH issue to add text for scope of DCAT and dcat:Resource as extension point
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alejandra: should this be in Milestone #14
<alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
<PWinstanley> s/shoudl/should/
yes
(i.e. 3PWD)
DaveBrowning: do we put a time target on 3PWD and move unfinished issues to next milestone
… or do we try to complete all issues in milestone before 3PWD?
<AndreaPerego> +1 to option #1
PWinstanley: data quality could be wrapped up?
DaveBrowning: AndreaPerego suggested moving some of Riccardo's material up
… though DaveBrowning moved material around a bit already
PWinstanley: also need to bring in FAIR - DCAT should mention FAIR to reassure the scholarly audience that we are not behind the curve
alejandra: DQ stayed open because of comments on FAIR metrics
… links to FAIR - many of the issue are already (implicitly) addressed by DCAT-as-a-standard
<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment on FAIR and data quality
alejandra: we should mention FAIR but there is no substantive work required as DCAT conformant solutions are implicitly FAIR
<alejandra> I suggest to add some clairification on how the vocabulary covers the FAIRness elements (e.g. conformance to standards that is required for interoperability)
AndreaPerego: Riccardo's examples - one example claims conformance wrt INSPIRE
… this is probably best avoided - '50% conformant' is non-verifiable claim
… INSPIRE sensitivities - concerns will be raised about any quantitative claims in documents that are not normative in EC
… propose that examples refer to FAIR in place of INSPIRE
… will provide guidance to people whose focus is FAIR
<PWinstanley> +1
<alejandra> +1
<DaveBrowning> +1
Action: AndreaPerego to replace INSPIRE DQ examples with FAIR
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alejandra: re closing #248 we are missing dct:accessRights and dct:rights for dcat:Resource
… and also dcat:Distribution
… need to add these properties as 'recommended for use' in the context of these classes.
… also odrl:hasPolicy
DaveBrowning: is this part of the editorial cleanup?
<DaveBrowning> ackale
<PWinstanley> +1 to alejandra , but we need to prioritise the issues
alejandra: we have short time to completion - lets focus on closing issues rather than the tax related to issuing new PWDs!
PWinstanley: in profile guidance meeting timing was discussed. Likely that an extension will be requested.
… so there will likely be more time
… but agree that issues take priority over PWDs
<Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to propose to go through the milestones issue next call
<alejandra> it'd be great to have an extension
<DaveBrowning> +1 to a little more time...
AndreaPerego: support proposal from alejandra (don't get much value from PWDs)
… also we should close easy issues (even if not priority)
… too many open issues too much fog!
PWinstanley: need kanban view
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