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20:55:42 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 9 January 2019 21:00 UTC
20:56:00 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.01.09
20:56:13 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:56:35 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
20:57:04 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:00:37 <DaveBrowning> present+
21:01:32 <DaveBrowning> regrets+ Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson, Andrea Perego, Makx, RiccardoAlbertoni (Likely regrets)
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21:01:43 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:04:06 <alejandra> present+
21:05:26 <SimonCox> present+
21:05:48 <PWinstanley> present+
21:06:26 <SimonCox> Draft agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.01.09
21:06:48 <SimonCox> scribenick: SimonCox
21:06:53 <SimonCox> scribe: SimonCox
21:07:12 <SimonCox> Topic: draft agenda
21:08:21 <alejandra> q+
21:08:33 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: anything from yesterday's plenary?
21:08:42 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:09:07 <SimonCox> alejandra: 1. we need to decide today if we will do another PWD
21:09:19 <PWinstanley> q+
21:09:29 <SimonCox> 2. need to send link to ED to group, and public list, to solicit feedback
21:09:48 <SimonCox> ... esp. dcat:hadRole and qualified relations
21:09:53 <SimonCox> +1
21:09:56 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:09:58 <PWinstanley> +1
21:10:37 <SimonCox> Action: alejandra to draft note to the list drawing attention to significatn changes in ED
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21:10:51 <SimonCox> s/significatn/significant/
21:10:52 <alejandra> s/significatn/significant
21:11:06 <SimonCox> Topic: minutes of last meeting
21:11:13 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:11:25 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
21:11:35 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/19-dxwgdcat-minutes
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21:12:57 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:13:10 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: will be briefing statistics group on DCAT next week - Stat-DCAT-AP relevance
21:13:13 <DaveBrowning> regrets- AndreaPerego
21:13:20 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:13:20 <alejandra> Peter - is there a link to the meeting?
21:13:26 <SimonCox> ... requests inputs if available
21:13:48 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:14:12 <PWinstanley> https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cros/content/workshop-london-14-15-january-2019-linked-open-statistical-data-european-union-register-20-december_en
21:14:26 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/19-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:14:29 <alejandra> +1
21:14:32 <SimonCox> +1
21:14:37 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:14:40 <alejandra> (I chaired but seems that I forgot to put present+)
21:14:41 <AndreaPerego> 0 - was not there
21:14:42 <PWinstanley> https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cros/content/linked-open-statistical-data-european-union_en
21:14:46 <SimonCox> resolved: approve minutes of last meeting
21:15:09 <SimonCox> topic: Outstanding actions
21:15:10 <DaveBrowning> open actions: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:16:48 <PWinstanley> q+
21:16:48 <AndreaPerego> Mine are yet to be done - with maybe the exception of https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/270
21:16:50 <alejandra> yes, good to keep track what we have left
21:17:12 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: everyone look at actions agasint name to check if still relevant
21:17:23 <SimonCox> ... close actions that are no longer live
21:17:29 <alejandra> +q
21:17:37 <SimonCox> s/agasint/against/
21:17:44 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
21:17:50 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:18:00 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: my actions need to stay on list
21:18:48 <SimonCox> ... continuous and rate
21:19:07 <AndreaPerego> I have to review mine but they are likely to stay on the list as well.
21:19:15 <SimonCox> ... action with danbri is nice-to-have, but not important
21:19:30 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:20:35 <SimonCox> alejandra: must prioritize responses to comments on public list
21:20:51 <SimonCox> topic: responses to comments
21:20:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:21:59 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me to SimonCox mail
21:22:06 <SimonCox> draft response here https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/267
21:22:30 <alejandra> I created the action raised before: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/275
21:24:03 <SimonCox> Action: SimonCox to send response to Clemens and the public list (pending any last minute comments from alejandra )
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21:24:41 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: is there any further followup on Luca's mail
21:25:02 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: had action to follow up. Sent mail in December
21:25:38 <alejandra> I've read Simon's response to Clemens and I'm also in agreement that should be sent - thanks SimonCox
21:26:16 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/19-dxwgdcat-minutes#x06
21:26:35 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: was partially discussed in previous meeting
21:26:54 <SimonCox> ... trying to find mail ... Luca responded on 2018-12-10
21:27:59 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:28:10 <SimonCox> ... in some cases no action needed
21:28:31 <SimonCox> ... for others, need to figure out which are the relevant use-cases
21:28:56 <SimonCox> ... Luca mentioned they are using Hydra vocab for service-descriptions
21:29:11 <SimonCox> ... should add a  futher example showing use of hydra
21:29:28 <alejandra> archives: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Dec/author.html
21:29:56 <alejandra> this is Andrea's comments: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Dec/0185.html
21:30:46 <alejandra> s/this is/these are
21:30:53 <SimonCox> q+
21:31:38 <SimonCox> ... Luca indicates scope of their catalogues includes additional resource types
21:32:14 <SimonCox> ... do our ucs cover their requirements, or do they need to complement?
21:32:16 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:32:44 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: there is overlap with the draft I wrote to Clemens where I wrote (last para)
21:33:04 <PWinstanley> ... that the new DCAT vocab is unlikely to add new classes, but profiles can add new ones
21:33:54 <alejandra> +q
21:33:58 <PWinstanley> ... Do we need to add some text around clarifying this point - by having the abstract class dcat:Resource people can use this as an extension point
21:34:12 <PWinstanley> ... but in DCAT we limit to datasets and data services
21:34:28 <PWinstanley> ... We provide the extension point, but will not be doing the extensions
21:34:28 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:34:34 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:34:37 <PWinstanley> ... So, do we need to be explicit
21:34:46 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me to having comments + possibly caveat about broadening too much the scope of DCAT
21:35:14 <AndreaPerego> q+ to comment on proposed comment ;)
21:35:19 <DaveBrowning> ack DaveBrowning
21:35:32 <SimonCox> Do we need to clarify the scope of DCAT - datasets and data-services, but dcat:Resource provides an extension point for other types
21:35:42 <SimonCox> ... but these will not be part of the DCAT vocabulary
21:36:11 <SimonCox> alejandra: yes - we should say this in more than one place: in the overview and also in the description of dcat:Resource
21:36:37 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: we shoudl not steal the profiling methdology's thunder
21:36:45 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:36:45 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment on proposed comment ;)
21:36:51 <SimonCox> s/shoudl/should/
21:37:12 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: try to raise caveats about extending the scope of DCAT too much
21:37:20 <alejandra> let's create a github issue about this clarification
21:38:11 <SimonCox> ... 1. extension point is provided
21:38:28 <SimonCox> ... 2. other type systems already available - e.g. DataCite
21:38:36 <SimonCox> q+
21:38:43 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:39:06 <AndreaPerego> q+ to comment about dctype
21:40:07 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:40:07 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment about dctype
21:40:14 <SimonCox> also overlap with pointers from dct:type usage
21:40:42 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/64
21:41:32 <alejandra> +q
21:41:43 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:42:28 <SimonCox> action: SimonCox to create GH issue to add text for scope of DCAT and dcat:Resource as extension point
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21:42:46 <SimonCox> alejandra: should this be in Milestone #4
21:43:08 <AndreaPerego> s/methdology's/methodology's/
21:43:18 <SimonCox> s/4/16/
21:43:22 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
21:43:29 <SimonCox> s/16/14/
21:43:40 <PWinstanley> s/shoudl/should/
21:43:59 <SimonCox> yes
21:44:30 <SimonCox> topic: Milestone 14
21:44:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:44:37 <SimonCox> (i.e. 3PWD)
21:45:34 <AndreaPerego> regrets- Andrea Perego
21:45:36 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:46:14 <PWinstanley> q+
21:46:25 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
21:46:46 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: do we put a time target on 3PWD and move unfinished issues to next milestone
21:46:50 <alejandra> +q
21:47:03 <SimonCox> ... or do we try to complete all issues in milestone before 3PWD?
21:47:16 <AndreaPerego> +1 to option #1
21:47:17 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: data quality could be wrapped up?
21:47:45 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: AndreaPerego suggested moving some of Riccardo's material up
21:47:58 <SimonCox> ... though DaveBrowning moved material around a bit already
21:48:42 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: also brings in FAIR - DCAT should mention FAIR to reassure the scholarly audience that we are not behind the curve
21:48:47 <DaveBrowning> ack ale
21:49:01 <SimonCox> s/brings/need to bring/
21:49:21 <SimonCox> alejandra: DQ stayed open because of comments on FAIR metrics
21:49:25 <AndreaPerego> q+ to comment on FAIR and data quality
21:49:56 <SimonCox> ... links to FAIR - many of the issue are already (implicitly) addressed by DCAT-as-a-standard
21:50:38 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:50:38 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment on FAIR and data quality
21:50:49 <SimonCox> ... we should mention FAIR but there is no substantive work required as DCAT conformant solutions are implicitly FAIR
21:51:39 <alejandra> I suggest to add some clairification on how the vocabulary covers the FAIRness elements (e.g. conformance to standards that is required for interoperability)
21:51:43 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: Riccardo's examples - one example claims conformance wrt INSPIRE
21:52:14 <SimonCox> ... this is probably best avoided - '50% conformant' is non-verifiable claim
21:53:09 <SimonCox> ... INSPIRE sensitivities - concerns will be raised about any quantitative claims in documents that are not normative in EC
21:53:26 <SimonCox> ... propose that examples refer to FAIR in place of INSPIRE
21:53:57 <SimonCox> ... will provide guidance to people whose focus is FAIR
21:54:22 <PWinstanley> +1
21:54:24 <alejandra> +1
21:54:25 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:54:27 <SimonCox> Action: AndreaPerego to replace INSPIRE DQ examples with FAIR
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21:55:23 <alejandra> +q
21:55:30 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:56:18 <SimonCox> alejandra: re closing #114 we are missing dct:accessRights and dct:rights for dcat:Resource
21:56:30 <SimonCox> ... and also dcat:Distribution
21:56:43 <SimonCox> s/114/248/
21:57:29 <SimonCox> ... need to add these properties as 'recommended for use' in the context of these classes.
21:58:09 <SimonCox> ... also odrl:hasPolicy
21:58:50 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: is this part of the editorial cleanup?
21:58:56 <alejandra> +q
21:59:03 <DaveBrowning> ackale
21:59:07 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:59:36 <PWinstanley> +1 to alejandra , but we need to prioritise the issues
21:59:40 <SimonCox> alejandra: we have short time to completion - lets focus on closing issues rather than the tax related to issuing new PWDs!
21:59:44 <PWinstanley> q+
21:59:50 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
21:59:54 <AndreaPerego> q+ to propose to go through the milestones issue next call
22:00:31 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: in profile guidance meeting timing was discussed. Likely that an extension will be requested.
22:01:02 <SimonCox> ... so there will likely be more time
22:01:16 <SimonCox> ... but agree that issues take priority over PWDs
22:01:26 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
22:01:26 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to propose to go through the milestones issue next call
22:01:29 <alejandra> it'd be great to have an extension
22:01:42 <DaveBrowning> +1 to a little more time...
22:01:47 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: support proposal from alejandra (don't get much value from PWDs)
22:02:30 <SimonCox> ... also we should close easy issues (even if not priority)
22:03:07 <SimonCox> ... too many open issues too much fog!
22:03:49 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: need kanban view
22:04:03 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:04:06 <SimonCox> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
22:04:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/01/09-dxwgdcat-minutes.html SimonCox