scribe, AnnAbbott

chair, MattKing

<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/December-3%2C-2018-Meeting

aria-at (canIUse) project

<Jemma> https://www.w3.org/community/aria-at/2018/11/30/call-for-participation-in-aria-and-assistive-technologies-community-group/

Call to participate: https://www.w3.org/community/aria-at/2018/11/30/call-for-participation-in-aria-and-assistive-technologies-community-group/

mck: parallel group to APG WG
... if further info is needed, contact Matt
... group goal is to access how well screen readers support ARIA
... APG examples will be used as test cases for this group

<Zakim> MichielBijl, you wanted to ask if this only focuses on SRs

mck: would like to expand to other ATs beyond screen readers
... difficulty will be to get AT vendors on board

<Jemma> https://www.w3.org/community/aria-at/join

Release 3 Schedule

mck: Behind on editorial reviews
... So we can get it all in, proposing pushing publication off to early January; will raise in ARIA editor's meeting on Wednesday.

<Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Release-Plans

Radios in toolbars

Issue #949: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/949

<Jemma> Update on other release 3 priorities- Carousel Switch Index of examples Bug fixes

mck: likes Carolyn's suggestion

jg: that's originally how I was going to code example
... confusing for screen reader users?

mck: does current design look like radiogroup?

jg: looks like buttons now
... if not toggle buttons, what are they?
... menuitemradio is more consistent

jn: sounds reasonable

mck: visual styling - is this expected to look like buttons?

jg: would group be tab stop within toolbar?
... arrow keys move between items in other widgets

mck: on Mac depends on whether voice over is running

mb: move focus with arrows, activate with space like in Word
... Word on Mac
... finder on Mac is same as Word
... in Finder, tab moves in/out of group

Mark: looks same as what Carolyn is talking about

Mark; styled as toggle buttons

mck: are they grouped?

Mark: styled as group

mck: look like toggles, grouped like radios, behave like radios

jg: toggle buttons have visual pressed state difference
... don't think we have great solution in general

mck: only hesitancy is visual styling, but semantic perspective behave exactly like radio in group

<Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to day that is the important behavior for you :) but for a voice user it is important that the type is the one that is seen

jn: important that visuals and function match
... doesn't think this is an an issue

jg: thinks radio group is least of two evils

Jemma and Mark agree with Jon

mck: will deal with Issue #949
... jg will update example
... Issue #539 has checklist of needed work

jg: using border to indicate state

mck: what is google docs and finder doing different?

jn: border is fine as long as there is a 3:1 ratio
... border isn't dark enough - is only 2:1

<MichielBijl> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SMBtoImM/Screenshot%202018-12-03%20at%2020.00.15.png https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0iW53xB7/Screenshot%202018-12-03%20at%2020.01.55.png

<MichielBijl> Alt image 1: Current situation

<MichielBijl> Alt image 2: Preferred situation where the buttons look like one whole group thing

<MichielBijl> (of the toolbar radio thingies)

<MarkMcCarthy> Good addition Michiel

<MichielBijl> Might want to play around with borders a bit. But this seems to be what other platforms are using :)

<MichielBijl> Thanks Mark!

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