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XForms Users Community Group Teleconference

07 Nov 2018

Agenda

Attendees

Present
Alain, Erik, Philip, Steven
Regrets
Chair
Steven
Scribe
Steven

Contents


<Alain> No...

Steven: Sorry about last week :-(

ACTION-2205: Incorporate erik's text from action 2198 (selecting

items from nested binds)

https://www.w3.org/2018/10/24-forms-minutes.html#item06

Steven: Done.

ACTION-2204: Add xforms-submit-done to instance/@src and @resource.

https://www.w3.org/2018/10/24-forms-minutes.html#item05

Steven: Also done.

The control Element

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Oct/0035

Steven: Should @initial be a nodeset?
... and do we just insert them under the root element of the instance in the embedded form.

Erik: Who controls what?
... the embedded form needs to be ready to receive data
... it is now under control of the embedding form.

Steven: We currently just put the data in the first instance of the embedded form.
... I don't see any loss of generality in doing that

Erik: I could see how you might want control over it like with submission
... I don't know exactly how to do that

Steven: My original proposal was to use submission in and out of the embedded form
... and if we wanted to do something like it, I would want to use that as a template

Erik: We have something similar in mirroring instances between components.

Steven: So that if it changes in one place, it update in the other?

Erik: Yes

Steven: That is powerful, and very easy to use.

<ebruchez> https://doc.orbeon.com/xforms/xbl/advanced-topics/extensions#xxbl-mirror-attribute

Erik: In the component, there is only one instance that has this behaviour.

Steven: I personally like the idea of mirroring more than copying to and fro as it now is.

Alain: XSLTForms currently uses subforms, with mirroring.
... without copying

Steven: So mirroring would suit you as well?

Alain: Yes

Steven: Shall I try speccing it?

Alain: I was thinking about nodesets vs sequences.
... It might be nice to mix.
... I have no solution to propose though.

<scribe> ACTION: To propose text for using mirroring for <control/>

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<scribe> ACTION: Steven to propose text for using mirroring for <control/>

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2206 - Propose text for using mirroring for <control/> [on Steven Pemberton - due 2018-11-14].

Steven: Then only one of my questions remains for now - Is there a better name than <signal/> for dispatching events to and from

an embedded XForms?

Steven: So to communicate with events, we have two options a new name, or new machinery to <dispatch/>

Erik: I prefer to use <dispatch/>

<scribe> ACTION: Steven to merge <signal/> into <dispatch/>

<trackbot> Created ACTION-2207 - Merge <signal/> into <dispatch/> [on Steven Pemberton - due 2018-11-14].

ACTION-2196: Spec up collapsing sections

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Oct/0004

Steven: [summarises link above]

Erik: I'm not enthusiastic about appearance="{...}"
... @appearance isn't dynamic in our implementation (though that's our problem)
... working similar to dialog would be attractive
... we have @hide on dialog
... maybe possible for group
... using MIPs is OK too; but we have to define how it works
... or we could use similar to switch/case, with two mechanisms

Steven: Actually @hide is different.

Erik: Oh yes.
... We have a section component that does something similar.

Philip: I've used your sections in the past. I think events is the obvious one.

Steven: OK, This has given me food for thought. I shall continue with the action

ACTION-2193: Propose text separating the two cases of id

identification

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Aug/0029

Erik: No progress.

ACTION-2197: Send example of idref identification

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2018Sep/0013

Erik: No progress

Steven: No progress on the other three agenda items either. More next week.

AOB

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Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Steven to merge <signal/> into <dispatch/>
[NEW] ACTION: Steven to propose text for using mirroring for <control/>
[NEW] ACTION: To propose text for using mirroring for <control/>
 

Summary of Resolutions

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