<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
koji: working on setting up
backlog for rendering this next year
... don't understand what is wrong in indic
... what we need to work on
... want to understand
richard: addison might help? mark
davis was working on a new approach to grapheme clusters
... following on from work in india
... extend to cover whole indic syllable
... currently over two clusters, normally stops at virama
... started to realize that there are problems
(richard projects)
https://github.com/w3c/iip/issues/18
koji: line breaking?
richard: any breaking between
"characters"
... if you have a base-virama-base
... current rules stop with virama
... but would "keep going"
... but if you look at Tamil
... things are different
... doesn't have conjuncts, other than sh and a couple more
(richard explains viramas/vowel killers)
richard: this mark is the Tamil
virama
... if vowel, which is left of base, pronunciation is 1-3-2nd
character
... here's devanagari
... what you'd normally see. half form for first and full form
for 2nd
... sometimes font doesn't have conjunct cluster
... so virama is displayed
... and then break opportunity is after the virama like in
Tamil
... so diff is in font
... not in teh character sequence
... is what I understand
... that's why mark's efforts went quiet
addison: that's my understanding
richard: and complicated, because cldr reference
koji: one more background
... have two diff grapheme cluster rules
... one for cursor movement and one for everything else
... cursor include virama
... are cursor and lb diff?
richard: css talks about
typographic character unit
... impl has to decide how to do
koji: (shows code)
richard: need for diff rules in diff cases
(backspace vs. forward delete)
(selection vs. drop cap vs. deletion)
addison: if can describe cases, that might be easier than trying to approach unicode et al to patch
<r12a> सम्यूर्ण
(testing what Word does)
koji: fixing only for cursor movement is wrong, should fix for line break
richard: relevant for impl.
... other issues
... joining/following iip group good idea
... you don't have to use underline with deva (or italic or
bold)
... of course it does happen due to availability
... what to say
... "don't normally need" but...
(discussion of native emphasis)
richard: text decoration is more
interesting, so many more parameters
... tangential discussion
सम्यूर्ण@सम्यूर्ण.com
scribe: html 5.3 allows
... but whatwg doesn't
... need this to happen
... don't want html to stop it from happening
... so thread popping up on whatwg
... let's change, but anne et al asking "what about
impls"
... don't know how to talk to implementers
... how do we approach implementers
koji: think just contact
implementers?
... is this form controls? just contact me or myles
... happy to do that
... should know?
... francois, if outside layout, travis
richard: need rolodex
koji: add names @
Jay: what is higher
priority?
... can use kanji etc as domain name
... but few users
... in case of japan, have to change mode
... in that sense this issue not real need
... depends country by country
... if want real specification have to discuss
richard: have you seen language
matrix?
... quite possible need one for email as well
https://codepen.io/anon/pen/BqOxve
"we would implement this if you changed it"
<scribe> ACTION: richard: contact koji about garnering implementer support for EAI
<trackbot> Created ACTION-763 - Contact koji about garnering implementer support for eai [on Richard Ishida - due 2018-10-30].
richard: also mentioned
counters
... thing about quotation marks that's interesting
... problem is that it should follow what's *outside* quotes
rather than inside
... unwanted behavior in whatwg vs. w3c fixed
... have a test FF okay, others not
... sangwhan pushing html for tabular ruby on thursday
(coffee break, return at 10:45)
(discussing who we meet when)
confirmed 3:20 for E&O/WAI
We are visiting CSS
Addison to visit webplat to discuss input events at 1130
addison: CSS minutes start about: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/23-css-irc#T09-07-30
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2018OctDec/0002.html
addison is at webplat editing TF about here: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/23-webplat-irc#T09-33-35
<scribe> ACTION: addison: check if unicode describes backwards deletion clearly and develop doc if not
<trackbot> Created ACTION-764 - Check if unicode describes backwards deletion clearly and develop doc if not [on Addison Phillips - due 2018-10-30].
(richard giving his presentation from dev meetup)
<scribe> ACTION: richard: contact nayef/muhammed for next steps in arranging translations, etc.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-765 - Contact nayef/muhammed for next steps in arranging translations, etc. [on Richard Ishida - due 2018-10-30].
Minutes of discussion with webpayments approxiately here: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/23-wpwg-irc#T12-09-25
See notes about here: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/23-eo-irc#T13-18-47
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