trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-729?
<trackbot> action-729 -- Richard Ishida to And fantasai to write an article on ltr scripts historically written rtl -- due 2018-06-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/729
close action-729
<trackbot> Closed action-729.
action-741?
<trackbot> action-741 -- Addison Phillips to Reply to verifiable claims wgs request -- due 2018-08-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/741
close action-741
<trackbot> Closed action-741.
action-742?
<trackbot> action-742 -- Richard Ishida to Look at merging specdev definitions with definitions-characters article -- due 2018-08-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/742
richard: in the middle
<scribe> ACTION: addison: set up agenda for tpac
<trackbot> Created ACTION-743 - Set up agenda for tpac [on Addison Phillips - due 2018-08-16].
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
richard: was sent a doc in word
on mongolian
... wrote back to them, but limited English
... joined team call in beihang this week
... xfq following up
... bit of movement on india, next meeting tomorrow
... dev support
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2982
richard: raised issue on paged
media
... link above
... education and outreach
... preparing talk slides
... going to speak at workshop on manga in JP for 15
minutes
... intro what we're doing esp. on lang enabling
... then the unicode conference
... and 15 minutes at tpac
... extend the slides for joint presentation with addison
... and speaking at parisweb
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
richard:
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/linebreak.en
... think comments have dried up so done with this and would
like to publish
... any objections?
addison: all in favor indicate +1/0/-1 in irc
+1
<r12a> +1
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aclosed
<xfq> +1
<stpeter> +1
<David> +1
so resolved
richard: will move on to q element
https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev
richard: first a pull request
<r12a> https://github.com/r12a/bp-i18n-specdev/
https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/pull/29/commits/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0
<xfq> https://rawgit.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/2fd72988e0ac6fe98e4535edf9073571d097bca0/index.html
<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/articles/definitions-characters/index
richard: can we accept this PR?
addison: I think so
richard: in
definitions-characters
... need to add a new section
... will send in due course
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/bp-i18n-specdev/issues/28
<David> R12a: The issues are numbered... The 3rd one conflates grapheme and user-perceived character
<David> Addison: Was written quickly and the variation between terms is not often relevant.
<David> R12a: Will write more. Glyph and user percieved grapheme is the same to a viewer.
<David> Addison: The challenge is to introduce extended grapheme cluster concept, in the article.
<David> R12a: will not define Grapheme. Glyph is used interchaneably
<David> R12a: Different glyphs can represent the same user perceived character
<David> ... there may be multiple glyphs (defined shape in font) to multiple graphemes
<David> Addison: compressing Grapheme cluster to grapheme, in order to simplify for the readed.
<David> Addison: There is a progression from elements to displayed characters
<David> R12a: Section 5. Tautology in describing user perceived characters
<David> Addison: Yes, but there is more needed to clarify
<David> R12a: Multiple glyphs may represent a single user perceived character
<David> Addison: Moving from theoretical to visuals perceived.
<David> R12a: Need to mention CSS "Typographic character unit" it is indivisible for operations on the text.
<r12a> It is standard to backwards delete codepoints, but to forward delete grapheme clusters.
<David> R12a: This needs to be tied to the other terms
<David> R12a: number 7
<David> Addison: not quite correct that you can't cursor into grapheme clusters.
<David> R12a: Complex scripts do require partial replacement inside clusters for syllables on errors.
<David> R12a: would like to move back one and delete, then replace inside the character
<David> Addison: Not appropriate for emoji and some selection cases.
<David> ... might work better with Typographic character unit instead of grapheme cluster
<David> R12a: section 8
<David> Addison: this is area is full of jargon that make it difficult for most people to understand
<David> ... We need to take care to repurpose grapheme, and this is a specification so needs precision
<David> ... TPU is not completely clear
<David> stpeter: agree with R12a's target audience
<David> Addison: We need to refine the set to the required usage, only, rather than fully detailed as e.g. CSS require
<David> Addison: Is really working with the truncation issue and these terms need to be used meaningfully.
<David> R12a: Will rewrite the article and check with Addison.
<David> Addison: agreed
<David> Addison: We need to choose script for examples. In example 5: to demonstrate that length limits
<David> Addison: Using byte length limits decrease the number of available characters as you go up in unicode code-points
<David> Addison: Will refine Cyrilic/Chinese script examples
<David> ... Emoji are the best 4 byte example
<David> R12a: complex scripts with combining characters reduce the size from bytes radically
http://w3c.github.io/charmod-norm/
<David> Addison: Has done edits on charmod
<David> ...new case folding and terminology content
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