<SimonCox> regrets Lars
<alejandra> discussing the use case of datasets as a bunch of files
<alejandra> discussion about using dct:relations as catch all
<alejandra> rather than what happened until now that dcat:distribution was catching all situations
alejandra: Should we discuss the persistance issue and what that means for draft?
<Makx> 7me trying
SimonCox: Depends on view on Microsoft future attitude. We should revisit towards end of the work?
<SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/07/05-dxwgdcat-minutes
<SimonCox> +1
<alejandra> +1
+1
Resolved: minutes approved
SimonCox: Describes changes for mopping up (as per agenda)
… now viewd/merged
<SimonCox> (iii) Note on reduced scope of dcat:Distribution https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/299
SimonCox: Two other issues got some attention
<SimonCox> ... see https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue52-simon/dcat/index.html#class-distribution
SimonCox: provides explanation that we have narrowed the definition, why, and what the intention is
<alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/52
SimonCox: some other concerns need discussion but this pull request is just on the point of the explanation
<alejandra> 7me trying//7me trying/
alejandra: Provided we're clear, lack of backward compatiblity should be okay
<SimonCox> Proposed: text offered in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/299 satisfies Makx concerns
<Makx> Just small addition ...
<Makx> can we say something about ...
SimonCox: Change in defintion already included, this was to provide a clearer warning
<Makx> receiving applications to be aware that "older" implementations could still have services as distributions?
<Makx> Or is this implicit in proposed warning?
<Makx> Services = feeds, APIs
<SimonCox> I could add additional note to that effect - OK with that.
<Makx> Then OK with me
AndreaPerego: Can we look at the context here - do we really want a service to be a replacement for a distribution?
… Is that the intention here?
SimonCox: In the Genoa meeting, Jaroslav_Pullman was asking for a clearer definition around distribution and services
… this work aims to have distributions as (essentially) serialisations while services are services
… and disentangles the two that was implicit in 2014 rev
AndreaPerego: So a distribution can be replaced by a service?
SimonCox: The proposed text aims to make that clear by being explicit around the dcat:accessService/AccessURL/downloadURL
AndreaPerego: Will have a closer look. Is there a relationship between the properties we have here?
SimonCox: No subproperty relationship, but there is a property chain (clearer in the picture)
Action: SimonCox add pointer to Figure 1 from green box about dcat:Distribution
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Action: SimonCox add note about expectations from DCAT clients relating to backward compatibility
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SimonCox: The other part of the mopping up /easy win was in issue 55
<SimonCox> proposal can be seen https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue55-simon/dcat/index.html#class-distribution
SimonCox: to introduce dct:conformsTo
<alejandra> and this is the issue: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/55
<SimonCox> Can we change definitions of externally defined properties?
AndreaPerego: Looking at dct:conformsTo definition, perhaps we should make it clear we are using it in the broader sense
alejandra: Agree if we use the property then people will look at that, not our usage notes
SimonCox: And that brings the 'baggage' of standard....
AndreaPerego: If we make it really clear we are using it in the broader sense
Action: SimonCox to further clarify defnition/usage notes for conformsTo to note that 'standard' means 'specification'
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SimonCox: We will need to think about the RDF form of this (where conformsTo comes from dct:)
alejandra: Think its okay to clarify in (our) usage note
alejandra: Fine to merge after this?
<Makx> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
+1
Resolved: OK to close #55 this way
<alejandra> +1
<SimonCox> +1
<SimonCox> External comments are coming through GitHub
<SimonCox> ... but not mailing list
SimonCox: Do we want to commit to another draft, noting the tech issues around some comments
alejandra: Last draft was May, so perhaps its time
Action: DaveBrowning to do some real editorial work on DCAT draft
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<SimonCox> Proposed: Add a milestone for new draft around one month's time
<SimonCox> +1
<Makx> +1
+1
Action: alejandra to create milestone in GitHub
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AndreaPerego: Fine to have frequent releases. On timing - July/August may be quiet - is September a better target?
<Makx> early September OK
alejandra: Will include the issues/usecases to be covered in the milestone.
<Makx> bye
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