IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2018-07-12

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08:24:39 [SimonCox]
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08:24:52 [SimonCox]
regrets Lars
08:25:01 [SimonCox]
chair: SimonCox
08:27:51 [SimonCox]
regrets: Lars
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present+
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regrets+ Lars
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present+ Makx
08:37:49 [alejandra]
present+
08:38:03 [DaveBrowning]
present+
08:42:05 [alejandra]
discussing the use case of datasets as a bunch of files
08:43:09 [alejandra]
discussion about using dct:relations as catch all
08:43:28 [alejandra]
rather than what happened until now that dcat:distribution was catching all situations
08:45:17 [SimonCox]
scribe: DaveBrowning
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scribenick: DaveBrowning
08:45:35 [SimonCox]
Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.07.12
08:45:49 [SimonCox]
Topic: Confirm agenda
08:47:24 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Should we discuss the persistance issue and what that means for draft?
08:48:15 [Makx]
7me trying
08:48:15 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: Depends on view on Microsoft future attitude. We should revisit towards end of the work?
08:48:20 [SimonCox]
topic: Approve minutes from last meeting
08:48:32 [SimonCox]
https://www.w3.org/2018/07/05-dxwgdcat-minutes
08:48:53 [SimonCox]
+1
08:48:55 [alejandra]
+1
08:49:07 [DaveBrowning]
+1
08:49:20 [SimonCox]
Resolved: minutes approved
08:49:40 [AndreaPerego]
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Topic: Some mopping up by editors
08:50:11 [AndreaPerego]
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08:50:20 [AndreaPerego]
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08:51:09 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: Describes changes for mopping up (as per agenda)
08:51:43 [DaveBrowning]
... now viewd/merged
08:52:10 [SimonCox]
(iii) Note on reduced scope of dcat:Distribution https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/299
08:52:15 [DaveBrowning]
... Two other issues got some attention
08:52:21 [SimonCox]
... see https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue52-simon/dcat/index.html#class-distribution
08:53:36 [DaveBrowning]
... provides explanation that we have narrowed the definition, why, and what the intention is
08:54:35 [alejandra]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/52
08:54:39 [DaveBrowning]
... some other concerns need discussion but this pull request is just on the point of the explanation
08:54:50 [AndreaPerego]
meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
08:54:51 [AndreaPerego]
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08:55:07 [AndreaPerego]
present+ AndreaPerego
08:55:08 [AndreaPerego]
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08:55:24 [alejandra]
+s/7me trying/
08:55:31 [SimonCox]
q?
08:55:33 [alejandra]
s/+s/7me trying//
08:55:38 [alejandra]
+q
08:56:13 [SimonCox]
ack alejandra
08:57:04 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Provided we're clear, lack of backward compatiblity should be okay
08:58:05 [SimonCox]
Proposed: text offered in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/299 satisfies Makx concerns
08:58:06 [Makx]
q+
08:58:28 [Makx]
Just small addition ...
08:58:39 [Makx]
can we say something about ...
08:58:58 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: Change in defintion already included, this was to provide a clearer warning
08:59:23 [Makx]
receiving applications to be aware that "older" implementations could still have services as distributions?
09:00:05 [Makx]
Or is this implicit in proposed warning?
09:00:34 [Makx]
Services = feeds, APIs
09:00:48 [SimonCox]
I could add additional note to that effect - OK with that.
09:01:06 [Makx]
Then OK with me
09:01:07 [AndreaPerego]
q+
09:01:17 [Makx]
q-
09:01:25 [SimonCox]
ack AndreaPerego
09:02:04 [SimonCox]
q?
09:02:36 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: Can we look at the context here - do we really want a service to be a replacement for a distribution?
09:03:23 [DaveBrowning]
... Is that the intention here?
09:04:42 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: In the Genoa meeting, Jaroslav_Pullman was asking for a clearer definition around distribution and services
09:05:29 [DaveBrowning]
... this work aims to have distributions as (essentially) serialisations while services are services
09:06:27 [SimonCox]
q?
09:06:45 [DaveBrowning]
... and disentangles the two that was implicit in 2014 rev
09:07:38 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: So a distribution can be replaced by a service?
09:08:52 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: The proposed text aims to make that clear by being explicit around the dcat:accessService/AccessURL/downloadURL
09:10:07 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: Will have a closer look. Is there a relationship betwene the properties we have here?
09:10:19 [DaveBrowning]
s/betwene/between/
09:11:52 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: No subproperty relationship, but there is a property chain (clearer in the picture)
09:12:44 [SimonCox]
Action: add pointer to Figure 1 from green box about dcat:Distribution
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09:13:25 [SimonCox]
s/add/SimonCox add/
09:13:36 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:14:05 [SimonCox]
action: SimonCox add note about expectations from DCAT clients relating to backward compatibility
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09:15:08 [AndreaPerego]
regrets+ Jaro
09:15:12 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:15:29 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: The other part of the mopping up /easy win was in issue 55
09:16:25 [SimonCox]
proposal can be seen https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue55-simon/dcat/index.html#class-distribution
09:16:34 [DaveBrowning]
... to introduce dct:conformsTo
09:16:57 [SimonCox]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue55-simon/dcat/index.html#Property:distribution_conformsto
09:17:06 [AndreaPerego]
q+
09:17:11 [alejandra]
and this is the issue: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/55
09:17:17 [SimonCox]
q?
09:17:23 [SimonCox]
ack AndreaPerego
09:19:41 [SimonCox]
Can we change definitions of externally defined properties?
09:19:46 [SimonCox]
q?
09:20:00 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: Looking at dct:conformsTo definition, perhaps we should make it clear we are using it in the broader sense
09:20:38 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Agree if we use the property then people will look at that, not our usage notes
09:21:20 [SimonCox]
q?
09:21:27 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: And that brings the 'baggage' of standard....
09:21:28 [alejandra]
+q
09:21:57 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: If we make it really clear we are using it in the broader sense
09:22:16 [SimonCox]
Action: SimonCox to further clarify defnition/usage notes for conformsTo to note that 'standard' means 'specification'
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09:23:17 [AndreaPerego]
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09:23:20 [SimonCox]
ack alejandra
09:23:47 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: We will need to think about the RDF form of this (where conformsTo comes from dct:)
09:24:06 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Think its okay to clarify in (our) usage note
09:24:19 [SimonCox]
q?
09:24:35 [alejandra]
+q
09:25:07 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Fine to merge after this?
09:25:12 [Makx]
+1
09:25:15 [AndreaPerego]
+1
09:25:19 [DaveBrowning]
+1
09:25:30 [SimonCox]
Resolved: OK to close #55 this way
09:25:31 [alejandra]
+1
09:25:34 [SimonCox]
+1
09:26:02 [SimonCox]
Topic: Next Public Working Draft?
09:27:30 [SimonCox]
q?
09:27:34 [SimonCox]
ack alejandra
09:28:25 [SimonCox]
External comments are coming through GitHub
09:28:33 [SimonCox]
... but not mailing list
09:28:34 [DaveBrowning]
SimonCox: Do we want to commit to another drfat, noting the tech issues around some comments
09:28:51 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Last draft was May, so perhaps its time
09:28:55 [AndreaPerego]
q+
09:28:58 [SimonCox]
q?
09:29:02 [DaveBrowning]
s/drfat/draft
09:29:52 [SimonCox]
Action: DaveBrowning to do some real editorial work on DCAT draft
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09:30:24 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:30:24 [RRSAgent]
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09:30:24 [SimonCox]
Proposed: Add a milestone for new draft around one month's time
09:30:42 [SimonCox]
+1
09:30:42 [Makx]
+1
09:30:46 [DaveBrowning]
+1
09:31:04 [SimonCox]
Action: alejandra to create milestone in GitHub
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09:31:15 [alejandra]
+q
09:31:44 [SimonCox]
q?
09:31:50 [SimonCox]
ack AndreaPerego
09:32:44 [DaveBrowning]
AndreaPerego: Fine to have frequent releases. On timing - July/August may be quiet - is September a better target?
09:32:54 [Makx]
early September OK
09:33:46 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:34:31 [DaveBrowning]
alejandra: Will include the issues/usecases to be covered in the milestone.
09:35:41 [SimonCox]
q?
09:35:49 [SimonCox]
ack alejandra
09:36:10 [DaveBrowning]
RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:36:15 [Makx]
bye
09:36:20 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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