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08:24:52 <SimonCox> regrets Lars
08:25:01 <SimonCox> chair: SimonCox
08:27:51 <SimonCox> regrets: Lars
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08:42:05 <alejandra> discussing the use case of datasets as a bunch of files
08:43:09 <alejandra> discussion about using dct:relations as catch all
08:43:28 <alejandra> rather than what happened until now that dcat:distribution was catching all situations
08:45:17 <SimonCox> scribe: DaveBrowning
08:45:22 <SimonCox> scribenick: DaveBrowning
08:45:35 <SimonCox> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.07.12
08:45:49 <SimonCox> Topic: Confirm agenda
08:47:24 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Should we discuss the persistance issue and what that means for draft?
08:48:15 <Makx> 7me trying
08:48:15 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Depends on view on Microsoft future attitude.  We should revisit towards end of the work?
08:48:20 <SimonCox> topic: Approve minutes from last meeting
08:48:32 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/07/05-dxwgdcat-minutes
08:48:53 <SimonCox> +1
08:48:55 <alejandra> +1
08:49:07 <DaveBrowning> +1
08:49:20 <SimonCox> Resolved: minutes approved
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08:49:43 <SimonCox> Topic: Some mopping up by editors
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08:51:09 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Describes changes for mopping up (as per agenda)
08:51:43 <DaveBrowning> ... now viewd/merged
08:52:10 <SimonCox> (iii) Note on reduced scope of dcat:Distribution https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/299
08:52:15 <DaveBrowning> ... Two other issues got some attention
08:52:21 <SimonCox> ... see https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue52-simon/dcat/index.html#class-distribution
08:53:36 <DaveBrowning> ... provides explanation that we have narrowed the definition, why, and what the intention is
08:54:35 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/52
08:54:39 <DaveBrowning> ... some other concerns need discussion but this pull request is just on the point of the explanation
08:54:50 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
08:54:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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08:55:24 <alejandra> +s/7me trying/
08:55:31 <SimonCox> q?
08:55:33 <alejandra> s/+s/7me trying//
08:55:38 <alejandra> +q
08:56:13 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
08:57:04 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Provided we're clear, lack of backward compatiblity should be okay
08:58:05 <SimonCox> Proposed: text offered in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/299 satisfies Makx concerns
08:58:06 <Makx> q+
08:58:28 <Makx> Just small addition ...
08:58:39 <Makx> can we say something about ...
08:58:58 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Change in defintion already included, this was to provide a clearer warning
08:59:23 <Makx> receiving applications to be aware that "older" implementations could still have services as distributions?
09:00:05 <Makx> Or is this implicit in proposed warning?
09:00:34 <Makx> Services = feeds, APIs
09:00:48 <SimonCox> I could add additional note to that effect - OK with that.
09:01:06 <Makx> Then OK with me
09:01:07 <AndreaPerego> q+
09:01:17 <Makx> q-
09:01:25 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
09:02:04 <SimonCox> q?
09:02:36 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Can we look at the context here - do we really want a service to be a replacement for a distribution?
09:03:23 <DaveBrowning> ... Is that the intention here?
09:04:42 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: In the Genoa meeting, Jaroslav_Pullman was asking for a clearer definition around distribution and services
09:05:29 <DaveBrowning> ... this work aims to have distributions as (essentially) serialisations while services are services
09:06:27 <SimonCox> q?
09:06:45 <DaveBrowning> ... and disentangles the two that was implicit in 2014 rev
09:07:38 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: So a distribution can be replaced by a service?
09:08:52 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: The proposed text aims to make that clear by being explicit around the dcat:accessService/AccessURL/downloadURL
09:10:07 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Will have a closer look.  Is there a relationship betwene the properties we have here?
09:10:19 <DaveBrowning> s/betwene/between/
09:11:52 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: No subproperty relationship, but there is a property chain (clearer in the picture)
09:12:44 <SimonCox> Action: add pointer to Figure 1 from green box about dcat:Distribution
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09:14:05 <SimonCox> action: SimonCox add note about expectations from DCAT clients relating to backward compatibility
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09:15:08 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Jaro
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09:15:29 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: The other part of the mopping up /easy win was in issue 55
09:16:25 <SimonCox> proposal can be seen https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue55-simon/dcat/index.html#class-distribution
09:16:34 <DaveBrowning> ... to introduce dct:conformsTo
09:16:57 <SimonCox> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue55-simon/dcat/index.html#Property:distribution_conformsto
09:17:06 <AndreaPerego> q+
09:17:11 <alejandra> and this is the issue: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/55
09:17:17 <SimonCox> q?
09:17:23 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
09:19:41 <SimonCox> Can we change definitions of externally defined properties?
09:19:46 <SimonCox> q?
09:20:00 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Looking at dct:conformsTo definition, perhaps we should make it clear we are using it in the broader sense
09:20:38 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Agree if we use the property then people will look at that, not our usage notes
09:21:20 <SimonCox> q?
09:21:27 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: And that brings the 'baggage' of standard....
09:21:28 <alejandra> +q
09:21:57 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: If we make it really clear we are using it in the broader sense
09:22:16 <SimonCox> Action: SimonCox to further clarify defnition/usage notes for conformsTo to note that 'standard' means 'specification'
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09:23:17 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:23:20 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
09:23:47 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: We will need to think about the RDF form of this (where conformsTo comes from dct:)
09:24:06 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Think its okay to clarify in (our) usage note
09:24:19 <SimonCox> q?
09:24:35 <alejandra> +q
09:25:07 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Fine to merge after this?
09:25:12 <Makx> +1
09:25:15 <AndreaPerego> +1
09:25:19 <DaveBrowning> +1
09:25:30 <SimonCox> Resolved: OK to close #55 this way
09:25:31 <alejandra> +1
09:25:34 <SimonCox> +1
09:26:02 <SimonCox> Topic: Next Public Working Draft?
09:27:30 <SimonCox> q?
09:27:34 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
09:28:25 <SimonCox> External comments are coming through GitHub
09:28:33 <SimonCox> ... but not mailing list
09:28:34 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Do we want to commit to another drfat, noting the tech issues around some comments
09:28:51 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Last draft was May, so perhaps its time
09:28:55 <AndreaPerego> q+
09:28:58 <SimonCox> q?
09:29:02 <DaveBrowning> s/drfat/draft
09:29:52 <SimonCox> Action: DaveBrowning to do some real editorial work on DCAT draft
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09:30:24 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:30:24 <SimonCox> Proposed: Add a milestone for new draft around one month's time
09:30:42 <SimonCox> +1
09:30:42 <Makx> +1
09:30:46 <DaveBrowning> +1
09:31:04 <SimonCox> Action: alejandra to create milestone in GitHub
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09:31:15 <alejandra> +q
09:31:44 <SimonCox> q?
09:31:50 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
09:32:44 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Fine to have frequent releases.  On timing - July/August may be quiet - is September a better target?
09:32:54 <Makx> early September OK
09:33:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:34:31 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Will include the issues/usecases to be covered in the milestone.
09:35:41 <SimonCox> q?
09:35:49 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
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09:36:15 <Makx> bye
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