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janina: any edits for the agenda? or items of news?
Jamesn: ARIA F2F discussed places
    where semantics of HTML get overridden by CSS
    ... need to document where the browser engines do this
    behavior; then try to understand and get consistency
    ... Safari - if display a list without bullets and horizontal
    it no longer reads as a list (conscious decision by
    Apple)
    ... Want to make sure CSS TF is plugged into this review
    ... get a11y people from browser vendors together to discuss
    what is happening within their engines - they know where these
    issues are
    ... need to suggest changes or provide a mechanism for author
    to get desired behavior vs. browser behavior
    ... perhaps a good idea to provide a11y semantics via CSS (vs.
    always having to invoke JavaScript
    ... Dominic (from google) is willing to investigate this
    further - need Apple and MS
    ... Have buy in from google and Firefox - need to get Apple and
    MS folks involved. Must be knowledgeable of a11y
    interworkings
janina: WAI is right area to coordinate a call since ARIA, APA, and CSS all fall under this domain
ian: thinks this is something CSS taskforce can facilitate
janina: happy that Dominic and
    Firefox are interested in pursuing this, we really need Safari
    as well
    ... an out reach to James C and someone from MS
ian: will send out a starting email to people
Janina: want to keep a W3C
    fingerprint for tracking
    ... involved CSS and HTML - both are within W3C. HTML also
    involved WHAT
Jamesn: will reach out to participants and try to work out good time via email (Janina to reach out to Russ)
Janina: anything else for CSS?
ian: still need to send emails to
    Micheal for new people. Have some issues to file against CSS
    fonts module
    ... there is a max / min size properties - designed for user
    style sheets but need a warning for developers about using
    them
Janina: I suspect large font issue for low vision; blind may actually make as small as possible to get as much as possible on screen
https://www.w3.org/2018/03/draft-apa-charter
Janina: this is pretty close to
    what we will send for CFC
    ... in mission statement - want to make an addition
    ... developermnt of new specifications and support
    materials
    ... items in scope: item that reads identifies gaps ….. thinks
    we can drop that statement at the end
    ... which reads: (this work is expected to be performed in a
    task force);
    ... added two words - finding and additional in the end of the
    phrase that starts with articulate findings
    ... suggesting a new bullet in section 3
    ... “Leverage existing W3C markup technologies to produce new
    specifications which support content personalization for
    various identified accessibility requirements;"
    ... in section on organizations - dropped a few, clean up
    one
    ... what was ARIA decision on DAISY?
    ... are dropping open ajax and linux
Michael: ARIA kept DAISY since liasoning with publishing
Janina: only place linux still
    pertains is for any tweaks for IAccessible2; but not specific
    to W3C
    ... we need updated links to ISO/IEC JTC ….
Michael: other consideration it about adopting a healthy testing policy - we can keep, remove, or put something else in its place
Janina: this pertains to personalization and FAST
Michael: okay with not incuding testing policy in charter
Janina: okay with that as
    well
    ... testing is part of W3C process so do we really need the
    testing statement?
    ... next steps - will send out a CFC when Michael indicates it
    is ready
Janina: cleaning up language of
    CAPTCHA document as well as URIs that result in 404
    ... have addn work of pulling research into end notes so don’t
    trip on citations while reading document
<janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2018May/0005.html
Janina: Leonie sent list of HTML
    5.3 changes that affect accessibility
    ... Leonie has identified issues she feels we should look at.
    Will make this a top item for next week meeting.
    ... think the one that relates to descrepancies between ARIA
    and HTML guidelines
    ... should be looked at via ARIA - will pull out that item and
    forward to ARIA list
ian: nearly complete on CSS review
Michael: custom elements is being
    moved to WHAT WG
    ... we are okay on TR
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