Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference

13 November 2017

Meeting Minutes

Issue 60 (purposes)

moneill2: Worked on an extension syntax, only defined for DNT:0. Can write it up this week.

schunter: We can say this one is undefined for DNT:1.

Implementation reports

schunter: We need reports of implementations, any implemented features.

moneill2: Quite a few sites using the API, but not necessarily the TSR.

schunter: Not necessary that one site implements everything, as long as we have examples of everything.

moneill2: I think everything is in Bouncer.

Alan: Haven't heard from my implementers, but mid-December is too early.
… Is there a template for the reports?

schunter: We can come up with one.

<schunter> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌test-results/‌html51/‌implementation-report.html

<schunter> https://‌www.w3.org/‌wiki/‌ImplementationReport

<schunter> https://‌www.w3.org/‌wiki/‌ImplementationReport

<schunter> https://‌w3c.github.io/‌test-results/‌html51/‌implementation-report.html

schunter: In our case, to show interop, we need both client-side and server-side.
… Did Deutsche Telekom do an implementation, Mike?
… I can talk to them.

schunter: Any others?

moneill2: Rob said he did something, It's on the mailing list.

schunter: So four implementations, if we are lucky. We need to work on those. Getting others in a short period is unlikely.
… Do we need to show all fields of the TSR? If a field isn't used, do we drop it?

Bert: Probably should test each field at least once.

moneill2: I'll work on it for Bouncer, but not this week.

Next charter

schunter: To have a chance, we need to finish a REC.

moneill2: EPR (ePrivacy Regulation) is still uncertain.
… Once a final text is agreed, companies may have a reason to join the WG.
… But that won't be before 2019.

schunter: It wil be difficult to get new members soon, so it will be difficult to ceate a new WG.
… If some browser or advertising company want to extend DNT, we should start a new WG. But before that, there is probably not enough reason.

Brad: About "right of objection" (art. 21). It may use automated means. Is WP29 going to write an opinion on it? And does that affect DNT?

moneill2: EPR draft has new text about exception for audience measurement. Rob's issue is about that. But Rob is not here and we don't know exactly.

wileys: WP29 I think is working on some opinions.
… There is currently no cases of "legitimate interest" and everything is consent-based.
… EPR will borrow from GDPR.
… The WP29 opinion will be interesting to define "fair". It is expected in December.

schunter: Can we have a 2-month extension, waiting for some implementations?

Bert: That should not be a problem. Just need to contact Philippe.

schunter: If the WP29 opinion shows support for automated means such as DNT, that will help get interest.

wileys: Timing is against us. WP29 opinion in December. Interest will be growing in Q1 2018. That is after our charter.

schunter: It may lead to a pause between old charter and new one.

moneill2: Where do we publish the proposed extension? Do we have a document for that?
… New draft?

schunter: I would make the REC first and then start a new version.

Bert: We can easily make a new WD or Note.

moneill2: Can call it DNT2

Bert: Or Ideas for... or sometjhing like that.

schunter: We will need a discussion at some point about backward compatibility.

moneill2: For the moment it's just an extension, with a default, so won't break old implementations.

schunter: So probably best to start a document Future Extensions.
… We publish it once we decided what ideas to put in it.

Action: schunter: Talk to Martin Kurze about DNT implementations.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-476 - Talk to martin kurze about dnt implementations. [on Matthias Schunter - due 2017-11-20].

<wileys> Over and out! :-)

Summary of Action Items

  1. schunter: Talk to Martin Kurze about DNT implementations.
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