17:05:48 RRSAgent has joined #dnt 17:05:48 logging to https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-irc 17:05:50 RRSAgent, make logs world 17:05:50 Zakim has joined #dnt 17:05:52 Meeting: Tracking Protection Working Group Teleconference 17:05:52 Date: 13 November 2017 17:15:53 Topic: Issue 60 (purposes) 17:17:22 moneill2: Worked on an extension syntax, only defined for DNT:0. Can write it up this week. 17:17:56 schunter: We can say this one is undefined for DNT:1. 17:18:13 Topic: Implementation reports 17:18:39 schunter: We need reports of implementations, any implemented features. 17:19:07 moneill2: Quite a few sites using the API, but not necessarily the TSR. 17:19:42 schunter: Not necessary that one site implements everything, as long as we have examples of everything. 17:20:13 moneill2: I think everything is in Bouncer. 17:20:43 Alan: Haven't heard fro my implementers, but mid-December is too early. 17:20:53 ... Is there a template for the reports? 17:21:11 schunter: We can come up with one. 17:21:29 https://w3c.github.io/test-results/html51/implementation-report.html 17:22:05 https://www.w3.org/wiki/ImplementationReport 17:22:35 at has joined #dnt 17:23:07 https://www.w3.org/wiki/ImplementationReport 17:23:20 https://w3c.github.io/test-results/html51/implementation-report.html 17:23:22 jnovak has joined #dnt 17:24:30 schunter: In our case, to show interop, we need both client-side and server-side. 17:24:49 ... Did Deutsche Telekom do an implementation, Mike? 17:25:08 ... I can talk to them. 17:25:17 schunter: Any others? 17:25:34 moneill2: Rob said he did something, It's on the mailing list. 17:27:00 schunter: So four implementations, if we are lucky. We need to work on those. Getting others in a short period is unlikely. 17:27:47 ... Do we need to show all fields of the TSR? If a field isn't used, do we drop it? 17:29:22 Bert: Probably should test each field at least once. 17:30:03 moneill2: I'll work on it for Bouncer, but not this week. 17:30:21 Topic: Next charter 17:30:58 schunter: To have a chance, we need to finish a REC. 17:31:31 moneill2: EPR (ePrivacy Regulation) is still uncertain. 17:31:58 ... Once a final text is agreed, companies may have a reason to join the WG. 17:32:17 ... But that won't be before 2019. 17:34:34 schunter: It wil be difficult to get new members soon, so it will be difficult to ceate a new WG. 17:35:43 ... If some browser or advertising company want to extend DNT, we should start a new WG. But before that, there is probably not enough reason. 17:37:27 Brad: About "right of objection" (art. 21). It may use automated means. It WP29 going to write an opinion on it? And does that affect DNT? 17:38:41 moneill2: EPR draft has new text about exception for audience measurement. Rob's issue is about that. But Rob is not here and we don't know exactly. 17:39:20 wileys: WP29 I think is working on some opinions. 17:39:41 ... There is currently no "legitimate interest" and everything is consent-based. 17:39:54 ... EPR will borrow from GDPR. 17:40:45 ... The WP29 opinion will be interesting to define "fair". It is expected in December. 17:41:49 schunter: Can we have a 2-month extension, waiting or some implementations? 17:42:17 Bert: That should not be a problem. Just need to contact Philippe. 17:43:26 schunter: If the WP29 opinion shows support for automated means such as DNT, that will be help get interest. 17:44:05 wileys: Timing is against us. WP29 opinion in December. Interest will be growing in Q1 2018. That is after our charter. 17:45:10 schunter: It may lead to a pause between old charter and new one. 17:45:50 moneill2: Where do we publish the proposed extension? Do we have a document for that? 17:46:12 ... New draft? 17:46:37 schunter: I would make the REC first and then start a new version. 17:47:35 Bert: We can easily make a new WD or Note. 17:47:42 moneill2: Can call it DNT2 17:47:58 Bert: Or Ideas for... or sometjhing like that. 17:48:28 schunter: We will need a discussion at some point about backward compatibility. 17:48:53 moneill2: For the moment it's just an extension, with a default, so won't break old implementations. 17:49:40 schunter: So probably best to start a document Future Extensions. 17:50:01 ... We publish it once we decided what ideas to put in it. 17:51:47 ACTION schunter: Talk to Martin Kurze about DNT implementations. 17:51:51 Created ACTION-476 - Talk to martin kurze about dnt implementations. [on Matthias Schunter - due 2017-11-20]. 17:52:16 Over and out! :-) 17:52:25 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 17:52:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-minutes.html Bert 17:52:32 wileys has left #dnt 17:54:16 s/fro my/from my/ 17:55:35 s/It WP29/Is WP29/ 17:56:26 s/no "legitimate interest"/no cases of "legitimate interest"/ 17:57:02 s/waiting or/waiting for/ 17:57:27 s/will be help/will help/ 17:59:26 Present: Alan, Bert, Brad, Mike (moneill2), Matthias (schunter), Shane (wileys), Jason, Brendan 17:59:48 Chair: Matthias 18:00:10 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/2e97041f-06c0-2246-5832-4079cbc3c5ad@schunter.org 18:01:11 Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/06-dnt-minutes.html 18:01:17 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 18:01:17 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-minutes.html Bert 18:02:18 Regrets: Aleecia, Dave 18:02:32 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 18:02:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-minutes.html Bert 19:59:44 Zakim, bye 19:59:45 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Alan, Bert, Brad, Mike, (moneill2), Matthias, (schunter), Shane, (wileys), Jason, Brendan 19:59:45 Zakim has left #dnt 19:59:57 RRSAgent, bye 19:59:57 I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-actions.rdf : 19:59:57 ACTION: schunter to Talk to Martin Kurze about DNT implementations. [1] 19:59:57 recorded in https://www.w3.org/2017/11/13-dnt-irc#T17-51-47