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16:00:13 <lisa> agenda+   Proposal for personalization semantics and counter proposal https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0024.html and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0006.html
16:00:46 <lisa> agenda+ tmetable https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0022.html
16:09:44 <lisa> regrets: Jan, shari
16:10:30 <lisa> +agenda updates. vodaphone and tpac https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/TPAC2017
16:10:52 <lisa> agenda+ updates. vodaphone and tpac https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/TPAC2017
16:11:20 <lisa> agenda+ survey  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results
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17:00:42 <lisa> starting a moment late
17:00:52 <thaddeus> +present
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17:01:09 <AndyHeath> present+
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17:03:22 <lisa> regrets: Jan, shari, charles
17:03:29 <MichaelC> present+
17:04:25 <lisa> scribe: AndyHeath
17:04:32 <janina> present+
17:04:37 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Proposal for personalization semantics and counter proposal https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0024.html and
17:04:40 <Zakim> ... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0006.html" taken up [from lisa]
17:04:50 <lisa> present+
17:04:50 <AndyHeath> present+
17:04:51 <thaddeus> present+
17:05:00 <janina> chair: lisa
17:05:13 <AndyHeath> Agenda: 1
17:05:16 <jasonjgw> present+
17:05:51 <Roy> present+
17:05:53 <AndyHeath> Lisa had a counter proposal to moving forwards on the vocabulary
17:06:16 <AndyHeath> Lisa had some concerns with Michaels’ proposal
17:06:34 <AndyHeath> Lisa: the structure is nice
17:07:35 <AndyHeath> Lisa: We should run with it and try it but be prepared to go back if we find there are problems with it
17:08:35 <thaddeus> I think it sounds like a good starting point.
17:08:40 <AndyHeath> Lisa: trouble could come in different wats - e.g. ARIA group could fail to accept it for semantics
17:08:58 <AndyHeath> s/wats/ways/
17:10:01 <AndyHeath> Michael: Wary about not making a decisoin but lets have a timeline for a decision rather than it dangling indefinitely
17:10:35 <AndyHeath> Micahel: I don’t see how the vocab affects implementation
17:10:45 <AndyHeath> Lisa: shall we say by the next WD
17:11:57 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Lets run with it - that’s like makinga  decision - unless we hit an insoluble issue
17:12:19 <AndyHeath> s/makinga/making a/
17:12:23 <lisa> not insolveble just not elegently soverble or practictal
17:13:12 <AndyHeath> Michael: Ask the public at the next WD and make the decison by the WD after that
17:13:57 <AndyHeath> Michael: that allows us to collect evidence including implementor evidence
17:14:15 <lisa> propsal draft as a vocalary for now and Ask the public at the next WD and make the decison by the WD after that
17:15:04 <AndyHeath> Michael: make it clear “here’s how to do an ARIA implementation of that:
17:15:18 <lisa> +1
17:15:20 <janina> +1
17:15:21 <AndyHeath> +1
17:15:35 <lisa> any obections
17:16:04 <lisa> resolution: draft as a vocabulary for now and Ask the public at the next WD and make the decision by the WD after that
17:16:18 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:16:18 <Zakim> agendum 2. "tmetable https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-personalization-tf/2017Oct/0022.html" taken up [from lisa]
17:16:36 <MichaelC> s/resolution:/RESOLUTION:/
17:17:18 <lisa> action: Lisa to send out cfc
17:19:15 <AndyHeath> Lisa: thinking about timetable - over the next week Lisa and Charles work on drafting the first three items (ish) then ask for review
17:19:34 <AndyHeath> Lisa: will have a couple of items a week to review
17:20:32 <AndyHeath> Lisa: three items on a two week cycle - after the call if people are happy we will put them in the draft
17:20:50 <lisa> q?
17:21:11 <AndyHeath> Lisa: will only have those items to review not the whoile draft
17:21:59 <AndyHeath> We have consensus this seems to be a good plan
17:22:25 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:22:25 <Zakim> agendum 3. "updates. vodaphone and tpac https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/TPAC2017" taken up [from lisa]
17:24:22 <AndyHeath> Lisa: in Spain @ Inclusion Conference, vidaphone have sponsored c100 cog projects including loading own symbols. Plan to invite them to join the task forcr
17:24:31 <AndyHeath> s/forcr/force
17:25:16 <AndyHeath> Lisa: there is a liink now to the TPAC page in Github
17:25:58 <AndyHeath> Janina: parent group is ARIA not APA
17:26:23 <AndyHeath> wil be some CSS duscusion 12 on Monday
17:26:40 <AndyHeath> if people are available be at APA by 11/12
17:27:17 <AndyHeath> Might be earlier than 111
17:27:24 <AndyHeath> s/111/11/
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17:28:09 <janina> APA at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2017
17:28:35 <AndyHeath> Lisa - the page needs a litte sorting out
17:28:59 <AndyHeath> Lisa WILL PROBABLY be at TPAC
17:29:07 <AndyHeath> or will participate remotely
17:31:25 <AndyHeath> Michael - wait until some processes have gone through to edit
17:31:52 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:31:52 <Zakim> agendum 4. "survey  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/101569/2017-10-12_priorities/results" taken up [from lisa]
17:33:03 <AndyHeath> Onlly had three responses to sruvey so far
17:34:02 <AndyHeath> So far only logs and misc flagged by anybody to deprioritise
17:35:25 <AndyHeath> s/So far only logs and misc flagged by anybody to deprioritise/So far only logs flagged by anybody to deprioritise/
17:35:57 <thaddeus> Since I recently joined I want to give a thorough review
17:35:57 <AndyHeath> Janina: didn’t have much to add to it
17:36:04 <MichaelC> q+
17:36:37 <AndyHeath> Thaddeus: will respond this week
17:36:46 <MichaelC> ack me
17:36:47 <AndyHeath> Andy: will respond this week
17:38:01 <lisa> q+
17:38:06 <lisa> ack q
17:38:39 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Hopefully we will be able to put out a survey on what’s missing in the first few sections by Thursday
17:38:58 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:38:58 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, lisa
17:39:06 <lisa> ack l
17:39:09 <lisa> zakim, next item
17:39:09 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, lisa
17:39:25 <AndyHeath> Lisa: Anyone thinking of implementations?
17:40:25 <jasonjgw> q+
17:41:33 <lisa> ack j
17:41:53 <lisa> thad and jason will look into impltions and more reserch that might be need
17:42:04 <thaddeus> yes
17:43:05 <lisa> if anyone feels we need extra or diffrent thing in the specification [lease say
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