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<manu> scribe: dezell
<ltoth> Link for the CG Results: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/94248/usecases-201704/results
<manu> scribe: manu
Linda: Main purpose of this
meeting is to prioritize use cases... We want to make sure we
catch the 4-5 use cases to concentrate on. We want to
concentrate on the right topics.
... We wanted to get ideas from WPIG, and did get their input
from face-to-face meeting. We are not bound by that input, but
we do want to take that into account.
<dezell> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/73816/digoff201703/results
Linda: How do we interpret the
results, highest average is best?
... Everyone that voted was given 9 tokens, they could allocate
9 tokens however they wanted.
... WPIG had 9 voters, WPCG had 4 voters
DavidE: You can see a detailed
distribution, what everyone voted for, and distribution by
topic.
... Then stats, average, median, etc. I'm making a quick list
of things that scored a 1 or above.
<dezell> Scored '1.00' or above:
<dezell> Receive Offer via Digital Wallet Age Restriction From Digital Wallet Easy Digital Offer Storage and Redemption Merchant Coupon Reimbursement in Sale
Receive Offer via Digital Wallet
Age Restriction From Digital Wallet
Easy Digital Offer Storage and Redemption
Merchant Coupon Reimbursement in Sale
<dezell> Amber voted '2' for:
<dezell> Copyable
<dezell> From Digital Wallet
Linda: I think the CG is more invested in this... doesn't take into account those that voted in CG poll that voted in other one.
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we will want to re-poll the CG.
<Bob> +bob
<ltoth> manu: not enough input, need to make it easier for people to respond
<adam> if we are going to open this questionnaire up to the Conexxus digital offers group and others we need to define the categories in more detail than what we have in the current poll.
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we never closed the poll for Verifiable Claims...
<ltoth> bob: utilize Conexxus working group
<ltoth> ed: agreed
dezell: Closing the poll doesn't
help us
... Linda, I'm willing to work on Google Poll
Linda: Ian encouraged us to create this poll and created it for us... is there a problem w/ not using it?
dezell: We need to do a better
job - we need to support Bob and the Digital offers work at
Conexxus.
... We need to note the possibilities - vote for what's there,
or add something to the list, then Bob and his group at
Conexxus can help.
... I wouldn't worry too much about where the poll is done.
Brian: I think the focus of the
members of the members in the W3C group and Digital Offers
group isn't going to be the same... maybe this group should
focus in the areas they're going to focus on, and Conexxus
group should focus on what they're going to focus on.
... For example, age restriction - general Web Payments doesn't
care about it that much - but C Store - primary focus
point.
ltoth: When we first started, we wanted to bring in retailers and interested parties in ecosystem - landed on petro-centric people - that's the base, that may skew it toward our problems, their input is valuable... maybe we can bring in other retailers (other than petro)
dezell: While I don't disagree
that Conexxus won't end up w/ a separate effort, it may be
suboptimal for it going down different paths.
... The Web Payments group has a certain set of things that
they care about - abstract things in a way that's useful -
Conexxus has the same abstraction needs, but in a different
direction.
... As many of those as we can get - it would be a shame to
leave these use cases behind, 'cause they're done. Bob, you can
pick them up and use them, they're public domain.
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that we can analyze the data after the fact.
<Bob> +q
Bob: I think I'm aligned w/
DavidE here - all work that has been done on mobile web
(outside the app) work is important - based on feedback at
Conexxus, we're going to look at ways to modify transaction in
store - high level use cases, how data flows, how offer comes
back into store, you guys are nailing a lot of that down.
... What's missing right now is transform interest in DOWG in
Conexxus - move fast to set of use cases they're interested in
- there will be a bit of overlap.
Brian: I'm thinking that use cases as they are too broad - if Digital Offers / Web Payments could work where they excel, and other groups can work in areas where those payments are communicated down to site - that may be where conexxus group focuses (site-specific). Use Cases as they're written combine both of those.
<Zakim> dezell, you wanted to talk about the difference between "supporting" and "fulfilling" a use case.
dezell: I'm supportive of that -
that's what we're doing. Part of this questionnaire is to add
use cases that need to be there.
... There is no locking out of ideas here, no presupposition
that folks won't like it.
... In Technology Research Group - getting realtime funding of
these things is a high priority for merchants.
... They really wanted that to happen. We should look carefully
at these- we're going to have people that look at coupons. We
need to make sure that... all those groups play in petro, but
walmart cares just as much about some of these use cases as
others.
... We do need to get this poll done.
<Zakim> manu, you wanted to note two different areas - focus on what they're best at.
<Zakim> dezell, you wanted to talk about the difference between "supporting" and "fulfilling" a use case (missed it!).
Manu: We should make sure use cases are specific, and W3C works on web-based technologies (browser based delivery of payment, offers, receipts) and Conexxus works on site-level standards..
dezell: It may be that W3C figures out how items are stored in digital wallet, and delivered to a site/payment terminal, which then hits Conexxus specs. These are just examples. We don't want to lock either of these orgs out... otherwise we'll end up with separate ecosystems, and that would not be good.
ltoth: We need better poll data, distribute it to other people to get their input - reach out to retailers, are there other action items that we need at this point?
<scribe> ACTION: dezell to work on getting more poll data [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/05/08-digitaloffers-minutes.html#action01]
<adam> dezell: feel free to recruit me to help with the Google Poll
<dezell> I'm happy with chair's prerogagive.
ltoth: When is the next
meeting?
... Ian has a conflict on Mondays.
... Is 11am fine?
... Is there anyone that can't do 11am on Monday?
... Next meeting: May 22nd at 11am
Manu: We need to chat about how
we're going to coordinate all of these groups....
... Conexxus Digital Offers, W3C Verifiable Claims, W3C Digital
Offers... those groups.