Publishing Steering Committee Telco

<scribe> scribe: tzviya

Rick_Johnson: Update on Charter

Update on Charter

Ivan: We have 32 positive votes
... more in the pipeline
... this is more than 5%. We have 2 formal objections.
... We have dealt with the FO from Disruptive Inno. Daniel G has stated that he will drop the FO if we make the changes

garth: what is the process for dropping an FO?

Ivan: no formal process. I will put together a report and record that this is explicitly stated.

garth: we do not expect Daniel to re-vote, dropping the FO

Ivan: Vivliostyle also objected. This is very different, attempting to change the dynamics of the WG.
... The list of deliverables in the charter should not be considered as final. WG should deliberate first and then finalize.
... This group is caught in the middle of a larger battle about how W3C should work. One view is for a group having general ideas and then incubation
... The other is to incubate and come to WG with clear ideas and then finalize the spec in the WG.
... Many agree with what Florian is proposing, but making the changes in the charter during the voting period is problematic
... I recommend contacting those who have already voted, possibly including Vivliostyle's proposed changes
... But, others objected to going against standard process.
... Everyone is aware that we need to get this sorted out as quickly as possible.
... Voting period ends in about 2 weeks.
... We can wait until end of voting period, and W3M can make a decision and contact voters about changes.

BillMcCoy: Rick and I spoke to Florian in Beijing. We think that we have a path that will not involve going back to all members.
... He would probably be satisfied if we adjusted wording to make it clear that proposals are a straw man, not final versions
... This could be good wiggle room anyway.
... He is sensitive to the larger argument, and he probably realizes that we can't make the drastic change at this time.

Ivan: We do have to work with what is documented in the FO. Rick did propose alternative language, and Florian took it a step further.

BillMcCoy: It will probably be easier to work with Florian than to work with all the voters again.

garth: Maybe we can keep this off the mailing list and encourage Florian to publicly change things

Ivan: If you think this will work, please. Include Wendy as well.

Rick_Johnson: Florian was very sympathetic and wants to see this happen, so I think there is room to move him

BillMcCoy: If we don't announce the F2F, people from overseas won't come. Waiting for the charter to announce the F2F delays further

<George> Hotel prices are also getting very high, because I have checked.

Bill_Kasdorf: Could you clarify who W3M is and the relationship to director?

Ivan: W3M = director, CEO, CFO, and various function leads, Alan, and hosts

BillMcCoy: W3M is Jeff and his direct reports. Tim is not really involved. There is a formal process for seeking consensus.

ACTION BillMcCoy contact Florian, cc Rick

Rick_Johnson: Florian made the case for special cases in Beijing. Jeff and Mike Champion (MS) made the point that publishing is a special case because it already existed prior to merger.

<BillMcCoy> +1 to that proposal

George: Assuming the charter goes through, can we say that we're having a F2F

<BillMcCoy> (announce WG F2F with backup plan to be an IG workshop F2F)

ACTION Tzviya, Garth, Ivan to announce F2F

CG Update

Liisa: Dave, Rachel, and I met to talk about initial topics
... Dave made it clear that ISO stuff is not best topic to get started and maybe better for BG
... Raised it in BG, but many objections from Japan and Europe
... First CG meeting this week, plan to do a lot of over email and github

Rick_Johnson: I spoke to Rachel and Dave about edupub
... They liked the idea of doing it in the CG

laudrain: In Europe, we are working on European A11y Act. This includes revision of ISO for EPUB 3.0
... Spoke to BillM about ISO in London. It's a revision

George: We could put together a task force in CG to put 3.1 and EPUB A11y 1.1 to ISO

<ivan> referring back to my report above: we just got one more positive vote in, so it is not 33 and not 32 :-)

<garth> :-)

<laudrain> CG is more than 100 people ! So working in task force could be helpfull

liisamk: There is a lot of concern in Japan about timing, because they are concerned that this will invalidate the tools

Tzviya: We should note that the JEPA toolset/documentation has been a concern for the life of 3.1

BillMcCoy: There was no commitment made to work on ISO standardization. The ball is in the hands of those who require it.
... One of the meetings I had in Japan was with those who work on the technical issues in EPUB 3.1. They made it clear that they think that we made a mistake with version number in 3.1. It should have been 3.0.X.
... Biggest obstacle is with FXL in 3.0.1
... 2 practical problems with ISO - the fast track option we used for EPUB 3 is gone.
... W3C's ISO submission process is not available to us because they have a PASS agreement (limited to W3C rec)
... Should i bother finding out about ISO submission?

<liisamk_> +1 to finding out about ISO

+1 to finding out about ISO - it's clearly important to many members

<laudrain> +1 to contribute to ISO for Accessibility goal

george: EPUB 1.0 A11y spec applies to all versions of EPUB

<graham_> agree to research on availability of ISO processes (via PAS or slow-track)

george: It might be possible to add just the accessibility chunk

<laudrain> +1

BillMcCoy: The team in Japan offered to do a 3.0.2 separate from 3.1
... this could lead to fragmentation

<laudrain> -1 to fragmentation

tzviya: versioning was discussed extensively in EPUB WG

BillMcCoy: I realize that, but I didn't realize that all of Japan wanted 3.0.X instead of 3.1
... I will research options about 3.1

<Karen> +1 Rick's presentation at AC meeting, Beijing

AC meeting

BillMcCoy: Publishing got a lot of time and was well-received

<garth> Dropping off. Have a good week folks!

EPUB validation

liisamk: seeing a lot of issues with epubcheck, especially older files

tzviya: what about funding epubcheck for 3.1?

george: romain is working on a11y dev, so he's not really available for epubcheck

BillMcCoy: Readium/EDRLab is interested in providing help on epubcheck but can't do it alone

<graham_> bye