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<scribe> scribe: joanie
JS: We have a request to Bogdan
to update the UIA mappings to add some more detail.
... There has been some back and forth via email.
... Bogdan recently let us know that he will be a bit delayed
with the proposed change due to a "(good) family change."
... I was working on a test case today and it would have been
quite helpful to have had more detail for UIA.
JS: Joanie had done a pull
request to remove RELATION_POPUP_FOR.
... We discussed it last week.
... Today when I went to merge it, I had conflicts.
... I resolved it.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/537
JS: URL above.
... It ends with a comment to Joanie to close it.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaHaspopupTrue
JD: Looks good to me.
... I'll close it.
JS: You can close the branch too, or I can.
JD: Please do. Thanks!
JS: Done
JS: It's the weekly checkin.
JD: I have been focued on all things harness. So no new updates on this particular item. Sorry!
RS: Jess sent me an email.
... They only have funding until the end of April.
JS: And I don't think we'll be to
CR by then.
... I should be able to do what's currently known.
RS: I don't think there will be much more.
JD: Hopefully not, but don't
speak too soon. I'm finding bugs in the Core AAM as a
consequence of the ATTA work.
... aria-current is the latest example
JS: So I need to see how many
hours I have left that I can spend on ARIA.
... And will get as much done as we can.
RS: We need to figure out what
we're going to do.
... ARIA shouldn't need any editing now that we're in CR.
JS: There's Core AAM and AccName.
JD: Since I'm way more comfortable with Core AAM than AccName, if Joseph has to focus on one, I'd prefer he focus on AccName.
RS: By the way, did you hear from Dominic?
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2017Mar/0054.html
JD: I didn't get a reply back.
JS: URL to the message Joanie
sent above.
... And neither Dominic nor Alex have replied.
JD: I will follow up with them if I don't hear back in a couple of days.
JS: Joanie did another pull request a little while ago about aria-current.
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/543
JS: Link above.
... Joanie caught this as part of her ATTA work.
... This was just an hour ago.
... But it looks like the attribute just needs to change from
"active" to "current".
... I will do this by the end of the week.
<clown> action-1681
<trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2017-03-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_general
JS: Regarding action-1681, I
raised it quite some time ago because I thought the
inclusion/exclusion rules were vague.
... Cynthia took a look and said overall things were fine, but
that there were a few things which could be improved.
... Rich subsequently wrote a couple of paragraphs for the ARIA
spec.
... I have since written some text for Core AAM (see link
above).
... It's the third paragraph (beginning with 'The terms
"exposing", "mapping", and "including"')
RS: Does this cover aria-owns?
<clown> Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation (https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-controls, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-describedby, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-flowto, https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-labelledby or https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-owns) and are not https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#dfn-hidden.
<clown> Elements that have an ID which is referenced by another element via a WAI-ARIA relation (aria-controls, aria-describedby, aria-flowto, aria-labelledby or aria-owns) and are not hidden.
JS: There's a section on inclusion which has the text I pasted above.
RS: Did you include aria-details?
JS: That's a good observation.
RS: Also aria-errormessage.
JS: Ok.
... Every time we add a new property, we're going to have to
update this list.
... Oh well.
RS: Yup.
... I don't fully agree with item 4.
JS: Read the next item.
RS: Should we list those?
JS: It comes up later on.
... This is supposed to be a high-level section. The details
come up in subsequent sections, like 5.1.1.
RS: Under item 4, I would say,
"in instances where ..."
... I would change item 5's second bullet.
... You might want to again say, "in instances where the host
language allows for CSS display:none, they cannot be made
focusable."
... Right now it's kind of wishy-washy....
JS: I'll think about it.
RS: In host languages where display:none is allowed on elements, those elements cannot be made focusable.
JS: OK.
... I've also added a link to your (Rich's) section.
... So I send readers somewhere else to get the details.
RS: I think this is fine.
JS: Under 5.1.2, the second
bullet has a new sentence.
... "Accessibility API events are documented in the Events
section."
... With Rich's suggested modifications being made, can we
close this?
RS: Yes, and I don't need to review it.
JS: What markup language doesn't allow display:none?
RS: You mentioned HTML, so....
JS: Thank you for your
suggestions.
... Once I get those done, it will take care of both an issue
and an action.
Group: Yay!
<clown> action-2057
<trackbot> action-2057 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Suggest that axapi mapping of role="form" should be a landmark in the AXSubRole. -- due 2016-05-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2057
JS: There's an action on Joanie
(above).
... It was due May of last year.
<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-form
JD: Still on my list. Sorry!
<clown> action-2130
<trackbot> action-2130 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Determine if AX AXPI supports an event if the accessible description changes. -- due 2016-12-20 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2130
JD: We can answer this one after we finish the ATTA and harness work.
<clown> action-2131
<trackbot> action-2131 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review HTML-AAM -- due 2017-01-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2131
<clown> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/81
RS: I've done a little bit of the review, but I'm not yet done.
JS: You filed github issue 81.
RS: Steve made some changes and
closed the issue.
... We actually discussed it on the ARIA call a while back.
JS: Can we close your issue?
RS: No. I'm still working on it. Issue 81 was just one part of it.
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