<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en

<scribe> ScribeNick: mostafa

<behnam> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner

Mostafa: Started collecting images for action-48. Will upload them when I’m done with more images.

Najib: I have some examples for action-81. I’ll upload them when I have more examples.

Behnam: You can also upload them to the other repository.
... Instead of just our issue comments.

Najib: +1

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/type-samples

Najib: Which one is the preference?

<r12a> https://w3c.github.io/type-samples/

Richard: You can upload examples of typography here.
... A few things to remember: One is to not swamp the repository with similar things.
... Two is to link to or embed images here from our ALReq repo so that people will be able to find them.

<najib> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en

https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pull/89

Mostafa: This PR includes several updates to the character tables.

http://static.kolah.ir/alreq/#characters-tables

scribe: Some are stylistics. Some are related to the content, like not excluding ASCII characters.

I also checked including country codes in my locales, but the change was having European digits.

scribe: I also checked including country codes in my locales, but the change was having European digits.
... So, I removed that change.
... Also, I changed the alt text of character images to character names, so we don’t have control characters in your documents any more. Some validator warnings will go away with this.

Najib: I see some letters that are not used in Arabic: Arabic Hamza above, for example.
... Also, less-than sign, equal sign, should also be marked for Arabic.
... And the same for controlc characters like RTL, …. .

Richard: I think we have two separate issues: format issues and content issues. The format part looks good now.
... The content part is discussed by Najib.
... I suggest we merge it now, so that we have it.
... And keep the discussion for further changes.

Behnam: +1

Mostafa: +1. We can keep our discussion in our issue, Shortcomings of Characters Table.

https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/49

<najib> +1

<behnam> action Najib to review Characters Table for AR language

<trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Review characters table for ar language [on Najib Tounsi - due 2017-03-14].

<behnam> action+ Najib to review Characters Table for AR language

<behnam> +1

Behnam: I’m moving issue #49, shortcomings of characters table, to the review section of our drafting table.
... In the diacritics table Fatha, Damma, are marked as auxiliary, but Fathatan, Dammatan are marked as used.

Mostafa: This comes from CLDR. I guess it is because Fatha, Damma, can be removed without affecting text.
... But Fathatan, … are part of some words and can not be removed from a word.

<najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-(Draft)

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/projects/1

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/62

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/59

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/85

<najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/62 points to https://github.com/w3c/alreq/wiki/Arabic-numerals-(Draft)

<najib> only 62

Behnam: What is the place of this new numeral draft in the document?
... In which section?

<najib> section 3.8 Arabic numbering

Mostafa: Maybe section 3.8, “Arabic numbering”?

Behnam: Creating a new issue to track drafting this section.
... This is different from #62, because that only concerns a bidi issue.
... This is now issue #101.
... Still working on issue #97.
... Najib, are you interested in #59 as part of the numeral section?

<najib> Yes, I already put some comments there.

Behnam: Taking issue #82 as I’m already working on the joining section.

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/101

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/82

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/99

Behnam: A discussion about spacing is whether increase the space after the period.
... This also comes up around other punctuations.
... These are some of the issues that we want to talk about.

Mostafa: Wondering if this topic is too detailed for the scope of our document.
... Specially that these are general typography discussions, not specially about Arabic.

Richard: I’m wondering what will be useful for someone implementing CSS parts.
... Some languages have special deals with spaces, for example in Urdu and CJK we had that.
... These are the kind of things that might be useful.
... I’m also wondering if some of these are about different styles of different writers.

Behnam: We don’t have a tool in CSS now for controlling space after a period.

<ebrahim> Sorry for being late guys

Behnam: I agree with Mostafa that this concerns a lot of other languages too.
... But even if we have the same practice as, say, Latin, we can just say that we can follow that practice from another script here.

Najib: I have the same concern as Mostafa. Also, there are some language-based rules about punctuations.
... In Arabic it is common to use period instead of space between numbers to avoid bidi problems.
... I have some examples of that in my numbers draft.
... It is a more general typographic problem.

<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/99

Mostafa: I was just concerned about this being one of the many typographic details that we can talk about. But it is not a very objective thing. No objection to including this.

Behnam: We can think more about it. Specially about recommending narrow space for Persian.
... I’ll try to expand it and get more questions that we can answer.

<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/100

<behnam_> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/100

Behnam: Is issue #100 something that we want to track in our projcet?

Richard: I think we talked about math before and decided that are not including it for the time being.
... So I think this can use a “future” label.

<ebrahim> I was away for some weeks, so on a side discussion, was there any progress on finding clues on why Arabic-Indic digits direction is different from Extended Arabic-digits digits?

<behnam_> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/85

<behnam_> Bidi Category of numbers are different #85

Ebrahim: There was a question about bidi category of different digits sets.
... I was wondering if there was any progress on that in the recent weeks.

<r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner

<behnam_> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/75

Richard: Shervin has action-75 for answering this.

<ebrahim> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/persian-computing/602gqTIrlPQ

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