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<scribe> ScribeNick: mostafa
<behnam> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner
Behnam: Action-84 is done.
<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/86#issuecomment-279963613
<behnam> close action-84
<trackbot> Closed action-84.
Richard: Re some of the Urdu
examples from Khaled in the underline: I’m not sure all of them
are underlines.
... They look like normal lines drawn under a title, not
necessarily underline.
<najib> I think so
<r12a> https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/16
Richard: In the examply in my
link, some lines are underlines and some are not
underlines.
... That seems quite common.
<r12a> r12a: seems we may need to also describe a requirement for borders to also skip ink
Mostafa: No update on my action item.
Najib: No update on my action.
<behnam> https://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open?sort=owner
Shervin: I don’t have any updates on my action items.
<behnam> Drafting issues: https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Adrafting
<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pulls
Richard: We have two pending pull requests.
Mostafa: One of the pull requests
is mine (#89
... and it is still ongoing.
... It is not ready for merge.
<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/pull/83
Shervin: Najib’s PR is blocked by me. I’ll try to deal with it next week.
<behnam> action Shervin to convert glossary to HTML format
<trackbot> Created ACTION-86 - Convert glossary to html format [on Shervin Afshar - due 2017-02-28].
<najib> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57
<behnam> https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/57#issuecomment-280176906
<najib> Right repo? https://github.com/w3c/type-samples/issues/12
Najib: I left a comment on the justification issue about tatweel. Not sure if that is the correct place for it.
Richard: This is the right place
for this discussion. The other repo is for examples only, not
discussion.
... Also, is it common for softwares to add tatweel for
justification?
Mostafa: +1 about the right place
for this discussion. Helpful on drafting this section.
... I have seen tatweel beeing used on printed works, but I
don’t remember seeing a software that does that for
justification.
Behnam: For clarification: tatweel means the Unicode character and kashida means elongating the horizontal lines?
Richard: +1
Behnam: Proper kashida elongation
which handles curved lines is implemented in special cases like
Quran printing.
... But Microsoft Word or Internet Explorer use a line like
tatweel for justification.
Najib: Microsoft Word uses
tatweel only for some fonts.
... For other fonts like Amiri uses only spaces.
Mostafa: Does the character that Word adds for justification has variable widths?
Behnam: They use variable widths for this tatweel for kashida.
Mostafa: My question is whether we should categorize this implementation as tatweel, or a very basic form of kashida, or something else.
Behnam: We can add a note about this technical implementation.
Shervin: Softwares don’t add characters like tatweel to the text, they just added at the presentation layer.
Mostafa: My question is whether to catagorize a variable-width tatweel as using method tatweel or using kashida.
Shervin: A definition of tatweel will help with answering these kinds of questions.
Najib: I think we can consider a variable width tatweel as kashida.
<Shervin> http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/character.jsp?a=%D9%80&B1=Show
Najib: I have question: do we have tests to see if tatweel changes string comparisions and matches?
Richard: I don’t know.
Shervin: Unicode character
properties for tatweel recommends ignoring it in
searches.
... But the catch is that if you manually add tatweel in your
text, you might want it to be found as part of the text.
Richard: But if you add tatweel for emphasis you still want to find it.
Shervin: Yes. But I have not tested this. But the short answer according to Unicode is that it is not ignorable.
Behnam: In Iran Nastaliq font
adding tatweel is used for using extended shapes for
letters.
... But that is a special implementation.
Shervin: I recommend to stay away
from calligraphy when talking about justification.
... These behaviors are not standard, can be extremes, …
+1
<r12a> +1
scribe: We can stick to typed, monotype style text for these topics and then consider adding edge cases afterwards.
<najib> +1
<behnam> +1
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