W3C

Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference

20 Jan 2017

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Ivan Herman, TIm Cole, Jacob, Rob Sanderson (azaroth), Benjamin Young (bigbluehat), Takeshi Kanai, Paolo Ciccarese,
Regrets
Dinesh, Ben, TB, De, Meester
Chair
Tim
Scribe
azaroth

Contents

  1. scribe selection, agenda review, announcements, approval
  2. Proposed Recommendations
  3. Selector/State Note
  4. Other work to do before end of February?
  5. HTML Note
  6. Life After Rec: Wiki, errata
  7. Apache Annotator project

<TimCole> Correct minutes url:

<TimCole> https://www.w3.org/2017/01/06-annotation-minutes.html

scribe selection, agenda review, announcements, approval

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2017/01/06-annotation-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2017/01/06-annotation-minutes.html

<ivan> +1

Proposed Recommendations

<ivan> shane, spec ops should vote for the PR! :-)

<ShaneM> ivan: oh - sure.

TimCole: We're now in PR status, until Feb 14th

ivan: Everything went very smoothly, thanks to everyone
... for PR we need to get some votes. We have 4 positive votes, plus one abstention
... Need to get votes from the participants of the group
... esp Illinois, Getty, etc

TimCole: Should we contact Los Alamos

ivan: LANL has already voted :)
... Rob can ask Stanford, Ben can you ask your AC Rep?
... Takeshi, how complicated to get to your AC rep?

takeshi: I have a meeting next week

ivan: Also we have hypothes.is vote in already. Who else was in the group and active?

Rob: Library of Congress -- I can email Ray

ivan: Paolo isn't there any more, but could ask Tim from Harvard

Rob: Will do

Ivan: I've asked my institute in Amsterdam

TimCole: Oxford and Edinburgh in the UK

ivan: Benjamin, do you still have the contact for MS?
... any member can vote, and they were interested in Berlin

bigbluehat: Also talked to someone at Lisbon, so will get in touch with them

ivan: Want to raise at publication IG, will take care of those folks
... So with those, we have 10 or more which is fine. No problem unless someone objects, of course
... something we discussed on the call was preparing for a larger blog announcement. One or both of the chairs should do it.
... a one pager about what the specs do, why, and so on

TimCole: Are there any recent examples?

ivan: hmm ... I will have a look. I think CSV did something similar
... everything for post TR has been set up

TimCole: How to handle the blog?

Rob: Come up with some bullets first between us, and then one of us drafts the text?

TimCole: OK
... any other comments or questions about PR?

Selector/State Note

See: http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/selector-note/

TimCole: Already had three comments from Rob

<TimCole> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2017Jan/0015.html

<TimCole> https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/pull/397

Rob: (summarises the three comments in the email above)

<ivan> Tim, Rob: https://www.w3.org/blog/2015/12/wai-aria-graphics-module-published/

Ivan: Agreed with the three suggestions, I edited the text and have a PR in which needs review

Rob: Will review after the call

<TimCole> http://w3c.github.io/web-annotation/selector-note/

TimCole: Most recent version of the note doesn't have the fixes in, but are there any other concerns with the note?
... Paolo, are you in a position to ask MGH to vote?

Paolo: Yes, I'll do that

TimCole: If there's no comments or questions, what's the publication process for the note?

ivan: We should publish when we publish the recs, but it's good to have the decision so we can get the short name approved and so on

TimCole: An email call for consensus?

ivan: Yes, and recorded in 2 weeks. I can get everything ready by then. It's a simple document, so there shouldn't be any major issue
... we can agree that pub date is with the recs

TimCole: Rob, why don't you do that after looking at the pull request?
... we don't know publication date for the recs?

Ivan: The deadline is the 14th, but if there's no issues then it's very short. We then set a date that's okay with the webmaster.
... there's no changes on the doc, so should be no problem with the checkers

TimCole: The recs don't reference the note, so still won't at TR. We'll need to update the references between them, and for the note

PaoloCiccarese: Short question ... wondering if any of the big players manifested any interest? Google, Apple?
... in the work in general, the specs in particular

ivan: Had some interesting discussions with MS, but that was all.
... they didn't join the group, but it was late in the process at that stage
... publishers are interested, a different crowd. Wiley is using it internally. Other EPub reader companies are interested
... Bluefire, readium consortium is planning to implement it.
... Rob, you're in the best position to get a vote from Europeana

Rob: I can do that

Other work to do before end of February?

TimCole: Hasn't been a post of the PR status to the CG. Might be players there that have AC reps that could vote

Rob: Sounds good to me

Paolo: Can we use the message for the members?

Ivan: Lets not forward it directly

Paolo: I'll write something and have Rob and Tim double check it

TimCole: That seems like a good set. Is anyone involved in Dan's AAK group?

ivan: Yes, and Rob as well. There's a meeting on the 10th of Feb
... I think most of the members there we will have already caught

TimCole: What else in terms of other work?

ivan: The HTML note?

HTML Note

TimCole: Not sure we have time to go through it?
... I could put something up next week.

http://www.idpf.org/epub/oa/

TimCole: As epub is based on HTML, could be something to think about?

ivan: A bit unclear as IDPF and W3C are considering merging ... lots of discussions still
... idea is that there will be a separate group to maintain the Epub 3 documents, not official w3c docs
... no idea where the annotation part would fit into that

TimCole: Was thinking from a technical sense, don't want to say something that contradicts what was learnt in the process

ivan: Lets see what there is, and we can finesse if there's enough by the time we need it

TimCole: Talked about HTML serialization -- RDFA implementation, embedding the JSON-LD, and use cases that we looked at along the lines of wanting the annotation to travel with the HTML that it annotates

ivan: So in this case epub is a good example indeed
... I don't know how it was used in practice if at all

TimCole: it was at least talked about. That was the use case to talk about in the note, rather than more exotic ones

ivan: does wiley have any use cases in scholarly publishing?

bigbluehat: our focus now is about editorial workflows
... would want the option to publish the editorial annotations with the document, but not necessarily mixed into the document structure or an island of JSON-LD at the top
... just dump the annotations into the document. A layer to turn off or on, RDFA is kind of always there
... the more likely case for RDFA or similar would be at publication time ... non editorial annos, such as footnotes
... not sure if we'd switch to that over <cite>
... maybe for transclusion across documents

ivan: there's a use case there, which is all we're looking for

<csarven> editorial time: https://dokie.li/#figure-dokieli-citation (screencast 42seconds)

ivan: question is if we can refer to Wiley or not

bigbluehat: I think you can
... Wiley Information Model is based on web annotations, amongst others. As we move towards web first process, these things take shape in augmenting content
... would want the option to embed

TimCole: the purpose of the note to me is a marker for experimentation and future work
... points out the options and says that there needs to be more work

bigbluehat: Would want to see it pursued
... JSON-LD doesn't have a dom level marker, which is useful

TimCole: Anything else about the serialization note?
... github and wiki transitioning to the CG ... will be maintained by us?

Life After Rec: Wiki, errata

ivan: the w3c wiki will be frozen, but we didn't use it much

TimCole: Does the CG have a wiki?

Rob, Paolo: Yes ... but we didn't use it much

TimCole: And remind me of the errata set up?

ivan: It's up, and automatically bound by an API and a small script to the issue list
... it's tied to the github, used the mechanism in another WG so quick to adapt it

TimCole: We do need to move the annotation tests over to the main GH
... to simplify management. Need to verify with shane that it doesn't need to still be tied to his site

<ivan> Errata page: https://www.w3.org/annotation/errata/

Ivan: there's a description at the page of what has to be done

<ivan> example in working: https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/errata/

Ivan: as an example, ^^
... there are a few errata already. That's how it will evolve for our documents as well

TimCole: Next question when we meet next? Could meet next friday if there's progress on the html note, otherwise 3rd of Feb

ivan: If you think there's enough to discuss next week, happy to do that

TimCole: Okay lets hold next week for the HTML note
... any other business?

PaoloCiccarese: Sent an email to Tim, and a draft for the CG

Tim, Rob: Thanks Paolo!

Apache Annotator project

bigbluehat: Apache annotator is officially incubating
... it's mostly tilgovi and I or people that worked on annotator.js
... if there's any interest, would be good to have people sign up

Rob: just client, or also server code?

<TimCole> http://annotator.apache.org/

bigbluehat: Wide open, it's up to the people who show up
... currently looking at tilgovi's code to produce good web annotation docs
... highly collaborative

ivan: One thing on that, I have an early skeleton for the server side to look at the protocol based on mongo
... a way to understand what's happening
... in python, not JS
... haven't touched it for several months, but if interested can give the code. Not great quality.
... just ping me and I can send it

bigbluehat: the apache repos are git based, so happy to take a look at it

ivan: Don't have the time to do anything with it in the future
... for that crowd maybe it should be in node.js?

bigbluehat: Apache is agnostic, up to us. My hope is we have a few implementations that have similar internal APIs
... don't need to declare that JS is the only way to do it

TimCole: Actions ... Rob will do review and merge PR, then CFC, contact lots of people
... I'll check with Stephen about the UK contacts
... Adjourn

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2017/01/06-annotation-minutes.html
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