<scribe> scribe: manu

Marta: There is one item on the agenda, we'd like to do introductions to new people, changed timing of call, wanted to get more details on next steps.
... What do we expect to do, what are the priorities.

Introductions

Marta: My name is Marta, I work for Blockstream, I'm one of the Chairs for this group.

<Vagner_Br> Vagner Diniz, head of Web Technologies Study Center at NIC.br which is the executive arm of the Internet Steering

Marta: I'm a security architecture expert at Blockstream, I've been involved in standards for a few years, mostly around privacy... started Blockchain CG with Doug Schepers and Mountie Lee.

Vagner: My name is Vagner Diniz, head of Web Technologies Study Center at NIC.br
... This is the Executive Arm of the Internet Steering committee in Brazil, the body for Internet Governance in our country, not a Blockchain expert, but are interested in Blockchain future, interested in decentralized Web, planning to carry out an experiment on use of Blockchain.

<Vagner_Br> Vagner Diniz, I am also the head of W3C Office in Brazil.

Vicki: Hello, Vicki Lemieux, associate professor of archival science in Vancouver Canada, lead a Blockchain research cluster here, not an expert, am learning. I'm an expert on archival science, long term authenticity of records of transactions. Blockchain is good for record keeping. I'm interested in how these transactions can be trustworthy.

Vickie: I'm the ISO liason

Diogo: I work for nic.br, interested in Blockchain, not an expert either but I have done some experiments before. We're very interested in seeing more about the standards and how we're going to prepare some experiments and see how technology develops over time.

Selma: Hi I'm Selma, work in nic.br - here to listen and try to understand Blockchain better. I want to do experiment with blockchain and try to understand the decentralized properties better.

Newton: Hello, Newton, also work for nic.br and one of the Editors for Data on the Web Best Practices, working on semantic graphs and Blockchain with Vagner, Diogo, and Selma, that's why we're getting involved in this group.

Nick: I'm a professor in Korea, doing a few research projects here in Blockchain. My background is Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence. I'm looking to do something in this year, looking forward to having discussion today. Here to learn more about Flex Ledger.
... The only problem with this meeting time is 1am for me, so it is very difficult to join.

Manu: Hi Manu Sporny from Digital Bazaar, we are focused on payments, identity, and blockchain. We are the creators of JSON-LD and worked on RDFa, we helped start Web Payments and Verifiable Claims at W3C.

Plan for 2017

Marta: We had a slow start in 2016, we'd like to get more participation in this group this year. What do you see as a good work scheme for this year?

Link to Flex Ledger data format and protocol: https://w3c.github.io/flex-ledger/

Manu explains what Flex Ledger is about.

Nick: The way I read the document, this is exciting work (Flex Ledger), we probably need to further discuss how to further this work and support it. I'm for it, that's what I'm saying.

Vicki: I'll jump in and say that I support the general vision that Manu has outlined, I see a need for standardized format, standard HTTP API, in order to support what would be required to produce trustworthy records from an archival science standpoint. There are challenges, of course, that need to be addressed - technical and non-technical from the standpoint of engaging w/ other communities.
... Another consideration for the group, with the ISO Canadian mirror committee, cooperation with others internationally, we're gathering information on specific terminology in Blockchain and distributed ledger space. What is our goal, we want to arrive at consensus wrt. specific terms - terms are defined differently by different communities.
... We want to get terminology down - discuss in different fora, that is work that we want to do in this group.

Nick: Is January the Canadian ISO meeting?

Vicki: This is just the Canadian mirror committee - blockchain at UBC, professor of collaborative arts in Zagreb (croatia).
... We've been collecting information about related blockchain technology, he'll continue to collaborate with us with his own ISO mirror committee, not participating - they haven't begun their work yet.

Here's a link to EthOn - https://media.consensys.net/ethon-introducing-semantic-ethereum-15f1f0696986#.ydzkjlyyq

Manu: Work on ontologies and vocabularies continue, generalized work on standardizing blockchain formats - ITU, ISO, etc.

Newton: Yes, seems every standardization organization is working on this stuff.

Vicki: There is a lot of work going on in different national mirror committees, in terms of terminology - development of ontologies - there is a lot of work going on here, maybe not as RDF / Semantic Blockchain.
... Some of the definitional work that is going on maybe is the beginning from that perspective, the thing about ontology development, it's very important to have ontological consitency to have interoperability. This is why UBC is taking the approach of not getting be-all end-all definition, just understand how different communities are defining these terms.
... How does that get modeled? Universal ontology going forward, other thing to recognize is specific domain ontologies where you may have application area being financial services, real estate, work to be done there, that's more distant requirement.

<newton> s/Youngwhan Lee: Yes,/Youngwhan Lee: Yes,

Manu explains that we want to be careful of what we try to standardize, focus on stuff that W3C is good at.

Vagner: Where could we put our effort? Blockchain standardization, Blockchain specifications, how can we get to more of that information. If we get big picture of work that has been done - we could try to fit better in some space that are not covered by those organizations. Maybe we could also try to find some use case, in Blockchain CG web page, it's part of our mission to find missions for our focus and message format.
... During TPAC, the Blockchain CG meeting, I remember that we had a talk about use cases - what happened after TPAC on this topic? It would be nice to spend some time on use cases to inspire us.

Marta: I think all of these points are very valid. We collected a bunch of use cases, we were supposed to start generalizing them, building something out of them, but then Christmas derailed that.
... We have use cases, you could summarize/categorize it.

<marta_> use cases: https://github.com/w3c/blockchain/wiki/Use-Cases and https://github.com/mountielee/reports/wiki/Blockchain-(Real-world)-UseCases

Manu: I think working on use cases are very important, lets work on that this year.

Vicki: This is more in an application domain, I'm wondering if we want to look at particular players in this space - uBase.
... I'm looking at what they're planning on doing - Web Layer client, comparing it with what Flex Ledger is doing - where are these consistent, where are these not consistent.
... There has been a lot of development in this space, there is work at play, we want to understand what they're doing - they're using a JSON format, not sure how consistent it is with data format and syntax that flex ledger has. Maybe we want to gather examples and look to see how much diversity there is in this space. Discussion around approaches, that's one suggestion for something we might do as a part of our process.

<Vicki> YouBase: https://www.gitbook.com/book/joshrobinson/youbase/details

Manu: Agree that we should focus on that IF we want to focus on standardized data model.

Nick: Fine with me.

Marta: That makes a lot of sense, it would make a lot of sense, and would be beneficial for whole community. Pointless to do something other people are doing. We want to focus on something the community isn't doing and would be helpful.

Vicki: This fits well with work that W3C has done in the past and is good at doing.

Marta: First we should finalize the thing we've been doing on use cases, that is required for any work, once we have done that, we should continue working on Flex Ledger, looking at other companies and see what they're doing and see how these things compare.

<Vicki> yes

+1 for that approach.

Manu: Can we start with Google Docs and then move it to a more permanent location?

Marta: Sounds good.

<scribe> ACTION: Manu to create Use Cases document for Blockchain CG in Google Docs and send out link. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/11-blockchain-minutes.html#action01]

Timeline

Nick: We are having Australian meeting in April, at WWW2017?

Marta: Which meeting?

Nick: There is a meeting in April - Distributed Ledgers and Web at WWW2017 in Australia.

Vagner: WWW2017 isn't a W3C conference, W3C does have a track there.
... W3C AC Meeting will be in China - we'll host a meeting there.

<Vagner_Br> W3C AC Meeting, April, 23-25, Beijing, China

<Vicki> Here is the link to the WWW17 workshop on linked data: https://sites.google.com/site/lddlworkshop2017/

WWW2017 is in Perth, Australia - http://www.www2017.com.au/ April 3rd-7th 2017

<Vagner_Br> I am planning to go there, WWW2017

Marta: Maybe we can meet around a conference like Rebooting Web of Trust?

Next Rebooting Web of Trust meeting: http://www.weboftrust.info/next-event-page.html

Marta: Ok, let's plan to meet in Paris at Rebooting Web of Trust in April.
... Let's discuss during the next call.

<Vicki> sounds good

manu: +1

<Vicki> Thank you Marta

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