W3C

Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference

07 Oct 2016

Agenda

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
Rob_Sanderson (azaroth), Jacob Jett, TB Dinesh, Tim Cole, Ivan Herman, Takeshi Kanai, Shane McCarron
Regrets
Ben_De_Meester
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Jacob

Contents


<scribe> scribenick: Jacob

<TimCole> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/30-annotation-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/30-annotation-minutes.html

Announcements, Agenda items?

TimCole: (crickets)

Issue updates, if any?

TimCole: a lot of editorial items have been cleaned up, was also the rights issue

azaroth: completed all of the non-internationalization issues after last week's call
... getting to the last outstanding issue this afternoon
... rights issue, doesn't need any changes or clarification
... question revolving around "what is an annotation? how can rights be added to it?"

TimCole: an example has been given, not sure what else we can add to it

ivan: also updated the content of the vocab and context documents
... should be up to date wrt the editorial changes
... were some problems with the initial internaitonalization report
... think that those have been addressed, not certain if a new report has been generated

TimCole: regarding rights question, leave open for another week?

ivan: leave open for now, wait for Benjamin to answer
... (internationalization) -- at the same level, when ready to move on
... to final editorial rounds, then can send a note saying that we intend to close the issue
... worth looking at one or two editorial issues from Richard

azaroth: #348 started with a simple change, then expanded

<TimCole> https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/issues/348

azaroth: suggestion is to use a unicode concept, but we're trying not to use unicode as a basis

TimCole: we had talked about inviting him to a call

ivan: invitation to Richard should come from one of the chairs

azaroth: traveling next week

<ShaneM> I will not be on the call on the 28th - meetings in CA

TimCole: invite Richard for the meeting on the 28th (of October)
... resolve internaitonalization issue
... should connect via email to work through issue as much as possible beforehand

<TimCole> qq?

Implementations

TimCole: before the call started, was talking to Dinesh about his implementation
... anyone else want to talk about implementations?
... still worried that bodyValue isn't implemented by enough implementations
... what happens if a not-at-risk property isn't used, wrt exiting CR

ivan: shouldn't have an effect
... do we have any knowledge of anyone using it
... we should ask and document that no one is using it before removing it

azaroth: wasn't in the CG model, so would have to be a new implementation
... need to find out if anyone is using, but should be easy to validate via the list

TimCole: still haven't heard from Europeana
... if tests are in shape then Rob can talk to them when he's there
... examples of annotation collections in Rob's implementation
... will be able to test them as soon as that test is ready
... anyone else's implementations we're trying to work with for testing

ShaneM: Europeana, already in the test results folder

<ivan> https://w3c.github.io/test-results/annotation-model/all.html

<azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/test-results/tree/gh-pages/annotation-model

ivan: Europeana not listed in the testing report

TimCole: any other implementers?

<ShaneM> I neglected to push the updated report for some reason

azaroth: trying to get Pundit to test their's

<ShaneM> it is up on the server now

TimCole: vocab testing, need to make sure that Greg reads the report, then we're done

<ShaneM> https://w3c.github.io/test-results/annotation-model/all.html

azaroth: bug for the onto extraction from the vocab

ivan: need a report on protocol from Europeana

<tbdinesh> https://github.com/w3c/test-results/blob/gh-pages/annotation-model/EF-input/anno11.json is using bodyvalue

ShaneM: don't think they've done it yet
... still need to make changes to the report generator

TimCole: Rob has an action to clean up an issue with the ontology
... open issues on protocol testing?
... Tim has an action on model testing to get the collections (and other) testing in place
... after that's done, will have to go back address any fails in mandatory tests to
... determine if they're fails in the test or fails in the implementation
... then report rollup

<ShaneM> Implementing the "rollup" is pretty simple I think. I just need a free hour.

CR Exit

TimCole: Dinesh pointed out that one of the Europeana tests uses bodyValue, so that issue may go away afterall

ivan: once all testing, etc., is done, then republish the document and done

TimCole: should rerun tests once the schemas are fixed, but should also notify the implementers

<ShaneM> I am fine with that

ivan: minor issue, good if at the director's call, if we provide details for who will manage
... errata, can plug in the community group, restart a new community group to do that, need clear idea of how to handle errata

upcoming meetings

TimCole: broader issue (looking forward) -- start a new community group, tap into the old community group
... who to manage / maintain the products of the CR
... should be something the WG discusses

azaroth: shouldn't create new group, just go back to existing group

TimCole: can pole them to see if any objectors, should expect some change in membership over time

ivan: need to set up the fundamentals of who will manage errata
... have a plan

TimCole: that will be a topic for one of the next meetings

<ShaneM> I like this one: https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDFa_1.1._Errata

TimCole: should try to make sure Paolo is available in capacity as co-chair (with Rob) of CG

ivan: question, when will html note be ready? need Rob to look at selector note

TimCole: another topic for future meetings, but may be able to switch to biweekly schedule
... other topics? do we need to interact with other WGs?
... Tim has an internationalization call and a notes call as the future calls for this WG
... other business?
... adjourne

<ivan> trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/30-annotation-minutes.html
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