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14:39:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
14:39:09 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2016
14:39:26 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/03fe01d2201a$af1ba9f0$0d52fdd0$@illinois.edu
14:39:43 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda 2016-10-07: http://www.w3.org/mid/03fe01d2201a$af1ba9f0$0d52fdd0$@illinois.edu
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15:00:39 <azaroth> Present+ Rob_Sanderson
15:00:48 <Jacob> Present+ Jacob_Jett
15:01:19 <tbdinesh> Present+ TB_Dinesh
15:01:20 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
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15:05:11 <Jacob> scribenick: Jacob
15:05:23 <ivan> Present+ Ivan
15:05:44 <takeshi> Present+ Takeshi_Kanai
15:05:59 <TimCole> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/30-annotation-minutes.html
15:06:06 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
15:06:27 <Jacob> RESOLUTION: Minutes of the previous call are approved: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/30-annotation-minutes.html
15:06:43 <TimCole> Topic: Announcements, Agenda items?
15:07:22 <Jacob> TimCole: (crickets)
15:07:40 <TimCole> Topic: Issue updates, if any?
15:08:03 <Jacob> ... a lot of editorial items have been cleaned up, was also the rights issue
15:08:31 <Jacob> azaroth: completed all of the non-internationalization issues after last week's call
15:08:44 <Jacob> ... getting to the last outstanding issue this afternoon
15:08:46 <ivan> q+
15:09:00 <Jacob> ... rights issue, doesn't need any changes or clarification
15:09:12 <ivan> Regrets+ Ben_De_Meester
15:09:22 <Jacob> ... question revolving around "what is an annotation? how can rights be added to it?"
15:09:41 <azaroth> q?
15:09:44 <Jacob> TimCole: an example has been given, not sure what else we can add to it
15:09:44 <TimCole> ack ivan
15:10:09 <Jacob> ivan: also updated the content of the vocab and context documents
15:10:18 <Jacob> ... should be up to date wrt the editorial changes
15:10:43 <Jacob> ... were some problems with the initial internaitonalization report
15:10:58 <Jacob> ... think that those have been addressed, not certain if a new report has been generated
15:11:14 <Jacob> TimCole: regarding rights question, leave open for another week?
15:11:30 <Jacob> ivan: leave open for now, wait for Benjamin to answer
15:11:53 <Jacob> ... (internationalization) -- at the same level, when ready to move on
15:12:17 <Jacob> ... to final editorial rounds, then can send a note saying that we intend to close the issue
15:12:51 <Jacob> ... worth looking at one or two editorial issues from Richard
15:13:06 <Jacob> azaroth: #348 started with a simple change, then expanded
15:13:10 <TimCole> https://github.com/w3c/web-annotation/issues/348
15:13:46 <Jacob> ... suggestion is to use a unicode concept, but we're trying not to use unicode as a basis
15:14:02 <Jacob> TimCole: we had talked about inviting him to a call
15:14:53 <Jacob> ivan: invitation to Richard should come from one of the chairs
15:15:14 <Jacob> azaroth: traveling next week
15:15:18 <ShaneM> I will not be on the call on the 28th - meetings in CA
15:15:38 <Jacob> TimCole: invite Richard for the meeting on the 28th (of October)
15:16:16 <Jacob> ... resolve internaitonalization issue
15:16:33 <Jacob> ... should connect via email to work through issue as much as possible beforehand
15:16:38 <TimCole> qq?
15:16:40 <TimCole> q?
15:16:59 <TimCole> Topic: Implementations
15:17:31 <Jacob> ... before the call started, was talking to Dinesh about his implementation
15:17:40 <Jacob> ... anyone else want to talk about implementations?
15:18:04 <Jacob> ... still worried that bodyValue isn't implemented by enough implementations
15:18:29 <Jacob> ... what happens if a not-at-risk property isn't used, wrt exiting CR
15:18:48 <Jacob> ivan: shouldn't have an effect
15:19:09 <Jacob> ... do we have any knowledge of anyone using it
15:19:28 <Jacob> ... we should ask and document that no one is using it before removing it
15:19:45 <Jacob> azaroth: wasn't in the CG model, so would have to be a new implementation
15:20:09 <Jacob> ... need to find out if anyone is using, but should be easy to validate via the list
15:20:34 <Jacob> TimCole: still haven't heard from Europeana
15:21:15 <Jacob> ... if tests are in shape then Rob can talk to them when he's there
15:21:46 <Jacob> ... examples of annotation collections in Rob's implementation
15:22:03 <Jacob> ... will be able to test them as soon as that test is ready
15:23:07 <Jacob> ... anyone else's implementations we're trying to work with for testing
15:23:47 <Jacob> ShaneM: Europeana, already in the test results folder
15:23:55 <ivan> https://w3c.github.io/test-results/annotation-model/all.html
15:23:57 <azaroth> https://github.com/w3c/test-results/tree/gh-pages/annotation-model
15:25:11 <Jacob> ivan: Europeana not listed in the testing report
15:25:43 <Jacob> TimCole: any other implementers?
15:25:55 <ShaneM> I neglected to push the updated report for some reason
15:26:00 <Jacob> azaroth: trying to get Pundit to test their's
15:26:20 <ShaneM> it is up on the server now
15:26:24 <Jacob> TimCole: vocab testing, need to make sure that Greg reads the report, then we're done
15:26:31 <ShaneM> https://w3c.github.io/test-results/annotation-model/all.html
15:26:42 <Jacob> azaroth: bug for the onto extraction from the vocab
15:27:08 <Jacob> ivan: need a report on protocol from Europeana
15:27:25 <tbdinesh> https://github.com/w3c/test-results/blob/gh-pages/annotation-model/EF-input/anno11.json is using bodyvalue
15:27:31 <Jacob> ShaneM: don't think they've done it yet
15:27:41 <Jacob> ... still need to make changes to the report generator
15:28:09 <Jacob> TimCole: Rob has an action to clean up an issue with the ontology
15:28:20 <Jacob> ... open issues on protocol testing?
15:28:55 <Jacob> ... Tim has an action on model testing to get the collections (and other) testing in place
15:29:14 <Jacob> ... after that's done, will have to go back address any fails in mandatory tests to
15:29:29 <Jacob> ... determine if they're fails in the test or fails in the implementation
15:29:44 <Jacob> ... then report rollup
15:30:00 <ShaneM> Implementing the "rollup" is pretty simple I think.  I just need a free hour.
15:30:42 <TimCole> Topic: CR Exit
15:30:43 <Jacob> ... Dinesh pointed out that one of the Europeana tests uses bodyValue, so that issue may go away afterall
15:31:33 <Jacob> ivan: once all testing, etc., is done, then republish the document and done
15:32:05 <Jacob> TimCole: should rerun tests once the schemas are fixed, but should also notify the implementers
15:32:24 <ShaneM> I am fine with that
15:32:54 <ivan> q+
15:33:07 <TimCole> ack ivan
15:33:47 <Jacob> ivan: minor issue, good if at the director's call, if we provide details for who will manage
15:34:31 <Jacob> ... errata, can plug in the community group, restart a new community group to do that, need clear idea of how to handle errata
15:34:50 <TimCole> Topic: upcoming meetings
15:35:25 <Jacob> TimCole: broader issue (looking forward) -- start a new community group, tap into the old community group
15:35:38 <Jacob> ... who to manage / maintain the products of the CR
15:35:48 <Jacob> ... should be something the WG discusses
15:36:15 <Jacob> azaroth: shouldn't create new group, just go back to existing group
15:36:46 <Jacob> TimCole: can pole them to see if any objectors, should expect some change in membership over time
15:37:25 <Jacob> ivan: need to set up the fundamentals of who will manage errata
15:37:32 <Jacob> ... have a plan
15:37:45 <Jacob> TimCole: that will be a topic for one of the next meetings
15:37:53 <ShaneM> I like this one: https://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/RDFa_1.1._Errata
15:38:27 <Jacob> ... should try to make sure Paolo is available in capacity as co-chair (with Rob) of CG
15:39:20 <Jacob> ivan: question, when will html note be ready? need Rob to look at selector note
15:39:48 <Jacob> TimCole: another topic for future meetings, but may be able to switch to biweekly schedule
15:40:13 <Jacob> ... other topics? do we need to interact with other WGs?
15:40:50 <Jacob> ... Tim has an internationalization call and a notes call as the future calls for this WG
15:41:12 <Jacob> ... other business?
15:41:22 <Jacob> ... adjourne
15:42:03 <ivan> zakim, bye
15:42:03 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Rob_Sanderson, Jacob_Jett, TB_Dinesh, Tim_Cole, Ivan, Takeshi_Kanai, ShaneM
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15:42:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:42:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items