Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference

<clown> agenda: this

<scribe> scribe: joanie

Upcoming meetings

JS: I am unavailable for the next couple of weeks.
... As usual, if you want to meet without me, you can.
... Otherwise, I'll send out an email saying the next two meetings are cancelled.

RS: I'm still working on existing issues and mappings.

JS: Then I will cancel the next two meetings.

ACTION-2102: (Rich, All) Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec.

<clown> action-2102?

<trackbot> action-2102 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102

RS: Regarding that mapping, they are concerned that table spans are not contiguous.

JS: Is that even true?

RS: It could be.
... What if you hide a column in the middle?

JS: Row would be easier.

RS: They indicated that with traditional tables, you could count on cells being contiguous.

JD: I don't understand why exposing this via the TableCell interface is such a problem.
... If you have an accessible table cell, and you have the indices and spans on that accessible object via object attribute, why can you not take that same exact information and expose it via the TableCell API on that very same object?
... But I haven't had time to follow up on the email thread yet.

RS: Both platforms do have a table cell interface.
... And the HTML AAM includes mappings for the table cell interface.
... So I assume that Gecko already implements that interface at least for IA2.

JD: That would be news to me, because in general what is implemented in IA2 that is parallel to ATK also shows up in ATK.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColIndex

JS: I have one comment on the new text (link above)
... Actually it's colspan.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaColSpan

JS: If you look at colspan (link above), the AXAPI mapping has "column index"
... For colspan, it says "AXAPI AXColumnIndexRange: loc=<column index> len=<colspan value>"

RS: Yeah, that's a copy-and-paste error.

JS: rowindex and rowspan have the same issue.

<clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action2102/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaRowSpan

JD: Looking at it, I don't think they are wrong; I think it needs to be in both places (aria-colindex and aria-colspan).

<clown> "AXRowIndexRange: loc=<row index> len=<rowspan value> "

JD: Because they have a single API which retrieves both the index and span.

RS: Ok, I just updated my branch.
... We'll have to discuss what happens with the native host language semantics if the author hasn't provided the value.

JD: Well, the ARIA spec has an "authors MUST," so technically failure to provide the value is an authoring error.

JS: And what about aria-details.

JD: We're blocked on James Teh.

RS: Jamie and Alex had not updated the IDL for IA2 for over three years.
... Freedom Scientific looked for the new landmark role and couldn't find it.
... And they haven't decided on mapping for aria-details.

ISSUE-663: (Rich) Presentational children of some widgets have doclick actions if make presentational who handles the click

<clown> issue-663?

<trackbot> issue-663 -- Presentational children of some widgets have doclick actions if make presentational who handles the click -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/663

JS: I want to close this issue.
... Rich, you opened this a long time ago.
... I think this is now covered in your new section in the spec on presentation overrides.

RS: Which section?

https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#presentation

RS: Under "Presentational Roles Conflict Resolution"

JS: I think this section addresses the action.

RS: Yes, it's addressed.

JS: Can I close this issue?

RS: But it's not in the Core Mapping spec.

<clown> action-1681

<trackbot> action-1681 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose new wording, as an editorial change only to clarify the inclusion rules in section 5.1.2 -- due 2016-08-30 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1681

RS: I added it to the issue.

JS: My action is action-1681 (above)
... Though that's associated with a different issue.

RS: I'll add a note to mine.
... Then you can close them both out after you do your action.

JS: That works for me.

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Found Scribe: joanie
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Default Present: Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Present: Joanmarie_Diggs Joseph_Scheuhammer Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets: Cynthia_Shelly Bryan_Garaventa
Found Date: 09 Aug 2016
Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2016/08/09-aapi-minutes.html
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