Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference -- 01 Jul 2016

<riccardoAlbertoni> hi All!

<deirdrelee> Hi riccardoAlbertoni

<deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160701

<deirdrelee> Scribe: antoine

<riccardoAlbertoni> +q

zakim?

BP voting

<deirdrelee> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Jun/0102.html

deirdrelee: 18 votes in favour of moving to CR
... we need to make sure open issues and comments are addressed
... BernadetteLoscio do you agree with this?
... can you confirm that all comments received have been answered and everyone is happy with answers
... ?

BernadetteLoscio: commenters answered that they are happy

<deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Status_of_comments_about_the_last_call_working_draft

<Caroline_> I am sorry to send regrets because I am in another meeting

BernadetteLoscio: all answers are accessible from the table

deirdrelee: so you're happy that everything has been addressed

BernadetteLoscio: yes

<BernadetteLoscio> :)

<riccardoAlbertoni> congrats!

deirdrelee: I'm happy to announce that the BP has been published as CR!

BernadetteLoscio: great teamwork, thx everybody!

<yaso> O/

deirdrelee: Next step is director's meeting
... has anyone been in such a meeting before?

all: no

<scribe> ACTION: phil to set up director's meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-287 - Set up director's meeting [on Phil Archer - due 2016-07-08].

deirdrelee: next is implementations
... the end of the group is end of July
... we may have to ask for an extension

BernadetteLoscio: we'd like to talk with phil and hadley before the meeting with the directors
... to make sure that we are prepared for it

deirdrelee: sure, you can arrange this by email

<laufer> hi all

deirdrelee: for implementations we have on month before we close according to the charter

BernadetteLoscio: for some BP it will be easy to get implementations in one month
... considering that we can use existing datasets and portals
... or we can make new ones (portals, not datasets)
... For other BP it maight be more difficult
... if we don't have external implementers we can do it ourselves

<BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/#

deirdrelee: the implementation form is ready to go

BernadetteLoscio: it's alsmot done, newton needs to make few adjustements still.
... I have one question
... for example BP1 has two tests [reads the two tests]
... if an evidence pass one test but not the other
... is it a FAIL?
... or can we say sthg like 'partly implemented'

deirdrelee: let's keep simple
... we have already 35 BP if we have more detail it would take long

<deirdrelee> antoine: is there some implementation reports that have partly passed?

<laufer> +1

<deirdrelee> ... i wouldn't be surprised that there is

antoine: isn't there a 'partly pass' option in some existing reports?

BernadetteLoscio: we could make an option with one checkbox for every test
... if two checkboxes are checked then it's full implemnetation
... if one is check, if it's partial

deirdrelee: it would be interesting for us
... but otherwise if it's partial it doesn't count as an implementation
... it's only pass/fail
... does 'pass' mean 'pass everything'?

BernadetteLoscio: to be considered an implementation it should pass every test

deirdrelee: ok that's clear

BernadetteLoscio: if have one implementation form from an external implementers
... do we need to check the implementation?

deirdrelee: we trust if somebody says it passes it

<laufer> yes, we decided not to certificate the report...

BernadetteLoscio: if we have a portal with serveral datasets what the's URL?

deirdrelee: the approach is to take one specific dataset

BernadetteLoscio: in CKAN we have datasets and resources
... I'm not sure if people will people will know how to address it

<laufer> in ckan each resource could be a dataset in our definition

<Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to ask about "extension of the DWBP life period"

antoine: I think we shouldn't try to anticipate everything for specific case
... let's see what implementers send, we can check later

deirdre: I agree we shouldn't be too prescriptive

<laufer> ok

BernadetteLoscio: ok

riccardoAlbertoni: phil has suggested an extension recently

does it make sense to ask for an extension now?

riccardoAlbertoni: collecting evidence for many BP will require time

deirdrelee: I think it's feasible
... we can put the implemention call out
... and see where we are next week

<deirdrelee> antoine: we are also entering period of summer holidays, people are slowly phasing out, extra time might be a good time

antoine: with the holidays submitting reports may not be high on piority lists of people

deirdrelee: on the other end in august not much will happen, we could use it as a deadline :-)

laufer: how much time before due date should we ask for extension?

deirdrelee: I think next week is still ok

BernadetteLoscio: if we have two evidence for a BP do we consider it's over?

deirdrelee: we have to have 2

BernadetteLoscio: even if they are provided by the group?

deirdrelee: yes we've already stated this.
... BernadetteLoscio wehn do you plan to publish the call for imlementation

BernadetteLoscio: at latest next monday

<scribe> ACTION: Newton to launch the implementation form on July 4th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-288 - Launch the implementation form on july 4th [on Newton Calegari - due 2016-07-08].

<BernadetteLoscio> ;)

DQV

riccardoAlbertoni: we have two issues still open
... they are good good candidates for being postponed
... We had a discussion this/last week on whether it is possible on postponing issues
... for further work to tackle them
... The answer was no during the call
... Antoine: remembered some situation where postponing can be useful
... otherwise we still have some editorial actions.
... I don't see a problem closing DQV by July

antoine: I think it's alright

<deirdrelee> in the next couple of weeks dqv will be finalised, issues postponed until next version of DQV

riccardoAlbertoni: we could do more to address the issue on parameters
... but at this stage we don't think it should be done
... we want to flag it for future work (also considering there might be a new WG next year)
... The other issue is alignment between DQV and other domain-specific profiles
... It could be also tackled in the next group
... we we would have different reuirements from other domains

antoine: I think riccardoAlbertoni and deirdrelee agree
... for the other isseu I suggest we could try some tests if there are blockers
... and if there are we can create issue that we postpone immediately
... for another WG to takcl
... at least they would start from sthg concrete

riccardoAlbertoni: I am not sure it's feasible
... it's a completely new effort
... also on their side
... maybe you have already looked at their worked

[Antoine and Riccardo discuss the HCLS issue]

antoine: I'd like not to close the issue now
... but would be ok closing it at the last moment if we have no time.

deirdrelee_: do you need input from the group?

riccardoAlbertoni: if the group has a look at the doc and can make suggestions, or knows implementations
... please send them to us!

deirdrelee_: BernadetteLoscio, laufer, do you know of any implementation?

BernadetteLoscio: I'm going to check!
... I have a colleague who works on quality

deirdrelee_: it would be good. all the examples are from Europe

DUV

BernadetteLoscio: we had a meeting this week
... working on the final version
... we're going to handle final comments
... and after this we need implementations
... there's one open issue we need to discuss at the end of next week

<BernadetteLoscio> i'm sorry :(

<deirdrelee_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DQV_implementations

deirdrelee_: for DUV something similar to the list of DQV would be great

<BernadetteLoscio> great ;)

deirdrelee_: including planned implementations
... for a future WG

BernadetteLoscio: ok

<scribe> ACTION: BernadetteLoscio to create a list of implementations for DUV [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-289 - Create a list of implementations for duv [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2016-07-08].

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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

01 Jul 2016

Attendees

Contents

BP voting

DQV

DUV

AOB

Summary of Action Items

Summary of Resolutions

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