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12:52:15 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:52:15 <trackbot> Date: 01 July 2016
12:52:42 <deirdrelee> rrsagent, generate minutes
12:52:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes.html deirdrelee
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13:01:28 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160701
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13:03:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> hi All!
13:04:23 <deirdrelee> Hi riccardoAlbertoni
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13:06:54 <antoine> present+ antoine
13:07:20 <EricKauz> present+ EricKauz
13:07:27 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160701
13:07:28 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
13:07:31 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee
13:07:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+ riccardoAlbertoni
13:07:47 <deirdrelee> Scribe: antoine
13:07:53 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
13:08:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
13:08:17 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
13:08:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes.html antoine
13:08:39 <antoine> zakim?
13:08:48 <antoine> zakim, are you here?
13:08:48 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, antoine.
13:10:16 <antoine> rrsagent, make logs public
13:10:35 <deirdrelee> RRSAgent, generate minutes
13:10:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes.html deirdrelee
13:10:54 <yaso> Present+ yaso
13:11:16 <antoine> Topic: BP voting
13:11:19 <deirdrelee> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2016Jun/0102.html
13:11:33 <antoine> deirdrelee: 18 votes in favour of moving to cR
13:11:43 <antoine> s/cR/CR
13:11:56 <antoine> ... we need to make sure open issues and comments are addressed
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13:12:05 <antoine> ... BernadetteLoscio do you agree with this?
13:12:26 <antoine> ... can you confirm that all comments received have been answered and everyone is happy with answers
13:12:32 <antoine> ... ?
13:12:42 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: commenters answered that they are happy
13:13:15 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Status_of_comments_about_the_last_call_working_draft
13:13:22 <Caroline_> I am sorry to send regrets because I am in another meeting
13:13:50 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: all answers are accessible from the table
13:14:19 <antoine> deirdrelee: so you're happy that everything has been addressed
13:14:23 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: yes
13:14:29 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
13:14:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> congrats!
13:14:38 <antoine> deirdrelee: I'm happy to announce that the BP has been published as CR!
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13:14:53 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: great teamwork, thx everybody!
13:14:55 <yaso> O/
13:15:10 <antoine> deirdrelee: Next step is director's meeting
13:15:18 <antoine> ... has anyone been in such a meeting before?
13:15:26 <antoine> all: no
13:15:39 <antoine> ACTION: phil to set up director's meeting
13:15:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-287 - Set up director's meeting [on Phil Archer - due 2016-07-08].
13:15:54 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:15:55 <laufer> present+ laufer
13:16:06 <antoine> deirdrelee: next is implementations
13:16:24 <antoine> ... the end of the group is end of July
13:16:38 <antoine> ... we may have to ask for an extension
13:16:52 <deirdrelee> ack riccardoAlbertoni
13:16:55 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:17:18 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we'd like to talk with phil and hadley before the meeting with the directors
13:17:28 <antoine> ... to make sure that we are prepared for it
13:17:44 <antoine> deirdrelee: sure, you can arrange this by email
13:18:21 <laufer> hi all
13:18:27 <antoine> deirdrelee: for implementations we have on month before we close according tot he charter
13:18:36 <antoine> s/tot he/to the
13:18:53 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: for some BP it will be easy to get implementations in one month
13:19:07 <antoine> ... considering that we can use existing datasets and portals
13:19:19 <antoine> ... or we can make new ones (portals, not datasets)
13:19:33 <antoine> ... For other BP it maight be more difficult
13:20:10 <antoine> ... if we don't have external implementers we can do it ourselves
13:20:30 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/#
13:20:30 <antoine> deirdrelee: the implementation form is ready to go
13:20:48 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: it's alsmot done, newton needs to make few adjustements still.
13:20:59 <antoine> ... I have one question
13:21:15 <antoine> ... for example BP1 has two tests  [reads the two tests]
13:21:29 <antoine> ... if an evidence pass one test but not the other
13:21:31 <deirdrelee> q+
13:21:33 <antoine> ... is it a FAIL?
13:21:50 <antoine> ... or can we say sthg like 'partly implemented'
13:21:59 <antoine> deirdrelee: let's keep simple
13:22:24 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:22:29 <antoine> ... we have already 25 BP if we have more detail it would take long
13:22:31 <antoine> q+
13:22:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
13:22:36 <deirdrelee> s/25/35
13:23:09 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
13:23:25 <deirdrelee> antoine: is there some implementation reports that have partly passed?
13:23:37 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:23:41 <laufer> +1
13:23:47 <deirdrelee> ... i wouldn't be surprised that there is
13:23:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
13:23:54 <deirdrelee> q+
13:23:57 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:24:10 <antoine> antoine: isn't there a 'partly pass' option in some existing reports?
13:24:37 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we could make an option with one checkbox for every test
13:24:48 <antoine> ... if two checkboxes are checked then it's full implemnetation
13:24:59 <antoine> ... if one is check, if it's partial
13:25:02 <yaso> q?
13:25:11 <antoine> deirdrelee: it would be interesting for us
13:25:37 <antoine> ... but otherwise if it's partial it doesn't count as an implementation
13:25:47 <antoine> ... it's only pass/fail
13:26:12 <antoine> q+
13:26:23 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:27:08 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:27:39 <antoine> deirdrelee: does 'pass' mean 'pass everything'?
13:27:52 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: to be considered an implementation it should pass every test
13:28:05 <antoine> deirdrelee: ok that's clear
13:28:16 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
13:28:19 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:28:40 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: if have one implementation form from an external implementers
13:28:48 <antoine> ... do we need to check the implementation?
13:29:01 <antoine> deirdrelee: we trust if somebody says it passes it
13:29:03 <laufer> yes, we decided not to certificate the report...
13:29:47 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: if we have a portal with serveral datasets what the's URL?
13:29:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+ to ask about "extension of the DWBP life period"
13:30:02 <antoine> deirdrelee: the approach is to take one specific dataset
13:30:29 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: in CKAN we have datasets and resources
13:30:42 <antoine> ... I'm not sure if people will people will know how to address it
13:30:44 <laufer> in ckan each resource could be a dataset in our definition
13:30:50 <antoine> q+
13:31:01 <deirdrelee> q+
13:31:12 <laufer> q+
13:31:20 <deirdrelee> ack riccardoAlbertoni
13:31:20 <Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to ask about "extension of the DWBP life period"
13:31:56 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
13:32:34 <antoine> antoine: I think we shouldn't try to anticipate everything for specific case
13:32:42 <laufer> q-
13:32:44 <antoine> ... let's see what implementers send, we can check later
13:32:54 <antoine> deirdre: I agree we shouldn't be too prescriptive
13:32:58 <laufer> ok
13:33:00 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: ok
13:33:11 <deirdrelee> q?
13:33:13 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:33:26 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: phil has suggested an extension recently
13:33:36 <antoine> does it make sense to ask for an extension now?
13:33:48 <deirdrelee> q+
13:33:55 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: collecting evidence for many BP will require time
13:33:57 <antoine> q+
13:34:30 <antoine> deirdrelee: I think it's feasible
13:34:46 <antoine> ... we can put the implemention call out
13:34:50 <laufer> q+
13:34:52 <antoine> ... and see where we are next week
13:35:14 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:35:16 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
13:35:48 <deirdrelee> antoine: we are also entering period of summer holidays, people are slowly phasing out, extra time might be a good time
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13:36:16 <antoine> antoine: with the holidays submitting reports may not be high on piority lists of people
13:36:17 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
13:36:35 <antoine> deirdrelee: on the other end in august not much will happen, we could use it as a deadline :-)
13:36:50 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:36:54 <antoine> laufer: how much time before due date should we ask for extension?
13:37:00 <antoine> deirdrelee: I think next week is still ok
13:37:08 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
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13:37:29 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: if we have two evidence for a BP do we consider it's over?
13:37:35 <antoine> deirdrelee: we have to have 2
13:37:48 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: even if they are provided by the group?
13:37:57 <antoine> deirdrelee: yes we've already stated this.
13:38:09 <deirdrelee> q?
13:38:43 <antoine> deirdrelee: BernadetteLoscio wehn do you plan to publish the call for imlementation
13:38:52 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: at latest next monday
13:40:09 <antoine> ACTION: Newton to launch the implementation form on July 4th
13:40:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-288 - Launch the implementation form on july 4th [on Newton Calegari - due 2016-07-08].
13:40:16 <BernadetteLoscio> ;)
13:40:41 <antoine> Topic: DQV
13:41:18 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: we have two issues still open
13:41:28 <antoine> ... they are good good candidates for being postponed
13:41:59 <antoine> ... We had a discussion this/last week on whether it is possible on postponing issues
13:42:10 <antoine> ... for further work to tackle them
13:42:27 <antoine> ... The answer was no during the call
13:42:43 <antoine> ... Antoine: remembered some situation where postponing can be useful
13:43:05 <antoine> ... otherwise we still have some editorial actions.
13:43:15 <antoine> ... I don't see a problem closing DQV by July
13:44:21 <antoine> antoine: I think it's alright
13:45:10 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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13:45:17 <deirdrelee> in the next couple of weeks dqv will be finalised, issues postponed until next version of DQV
13:46:44 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: we could do more to address the issue on parameters
13:46:53 <antoine> ... but at this stage we don't think it should be done
13:47:21 <antoine> ... we want to flag it for future work (also considering there might be a new WG next year)
13:47:46 <antoine> ... The other issue is alignment between DQV and other domain-specific profiles
13:48:03 <antoine> ... It could be also tackled in the next group
13:48:19 <antoine> ... we we would have different reuirements from other domains
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13:48:54 <antoine> antoine: I think riccardoAlbertoni and deirdrelee agree
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13:50:00 <antoine> antoine: for the other isseu I suggest we could try some tests if there are blockers
13:50:16 <antoine> ... and if there are we can create issue that we postpone immediately
13:50:22 <antoine> ... for another WG to takcl
13:50:30 <antoine> ... at least they would start from sthg concrete
13:50:52 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: I am not sure it's feasible
13:51:13 <antoine> ... it's a completely new effort
13:51:16 <antoine> ... also on their side
13:51:42 <antoine> ... maybe you have already looked at their worked
13:51:48 <deirdrelee_> q+
13:53:34 <antoine> [Antoine and Riccardo discuss the HCLS issue]
13:53:47 <antoine> antoine: I'd like not to close the issue now
13:54:05 <antoine> ... but would be ok closing it at the last moment if we have no time.
13:54:17 <antoine> deirdrelee_: do you need input from the group?
13:54:44 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: if the group has a look at the doc and can make suggestions, or knows implementations
13:54:49 <antoine> ... please send them to us!
13:55:36 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:55:44 <antoine> deirdrelee_: BernadetteLoscio, laufer, do you know of any implementation?
13:55:44 <deirdrelee_> ack deirdrelee_
13:55:46 <deirdrelee_> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:55:50 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: I'm going to check!
13:56:00 <antoine> ... I have a colleague who works on quality
13:56:19 <antoine> deirdrelee_: it would be good. all the examples are from Europe
13:57:02 <antoine> Topic: DUV
13:57:09 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: we had a meeting this week
13:57:15 <antoine> ... working on the final version
13:57:26 <antoine> ... we're going to handle final comments
13:57:33 <antoine> ... and after this we need implementation
13:57:50 <antoine> ... there's one open issue we need to discuss at the end of next week
13:58:04 <antoine> s/implementation/implementations
13:58:06 <BernadetteLoscio> i'm sorry :(
13:58:10 <deirdrelee_> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DQV_implementations
13:58:28 <antoine> deirdrelee_: for DUV something similar to the list of DQV would be great
13:58:32 <BernadetteLoscio> great ;)
13:58:35 <antoine> ... including planned implementations
13:58:53 <antoine> ... for a future WG
13:58:59 <antoine> BernadetteLoscio: ok
13:59:13 <antoine> ACTION: BernadetteLoscio to create a list of implementations for DUV
13:59:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-289 - Create a list of implementations for duv [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2016-07-08].
13:59:22 <deirdrelee_> q?
13:59:29 <antoine> Topic: AOB
13:59:51 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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14:00:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> congrats again!
14:00:07 <laufer> bye all
14:00:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye all..
14:00:11 <BernadetteLoscio> congrats everybody!!!
14:00:16 <yaso1> Thanks for chairing, Dee!
14:00:16 <laufer> great wknd to you all
14:00:19 <yaso1> Bye all
14:00:50 <yaso1> RRSAgent, make logs public
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