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Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

02 Jun 2016

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Attendees

Present
allanj, Shawn, andrew, laura, wayne
Regrets
JohnR
Chair
Jim and Andrew
Scribe
allanj

Contents


close item 9

<scribe> scribe: allanj

sh: do proposed resolutions, then have folks vote on github

laura: CfC?

awk: no CfC in taskforce. too formal

close item 1

Password fields

<shawn> https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot

<shawn> here maybe https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot#agenda

<shawn> zakim-rage

Proposal

User Need - Password: Users need to be able to see the entire password as text before it is submitted.

sh: don't want a new need, can't we put it somewhere else

verification of pw and number of characters is stressful, and time consuming

lc: there is a toolbar with a setting to show passwords

sh: can we squeeze it in somewhere?

<shawn> maybe http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#seeing-all-interface-elements

sh: edits pending to that section, to be broadened

wd: very stressful,

sh: propose putting in 3.7.1

lc: +1

awk: adding pw visibility to 3.7.1....seems weird

wd: tentative +1

ja: either 3.7.1 or create a new need

awk: 3.3?

wd: perhaps operation, high stakes. WCAG forms with legal consequences

sh: if in 3.3 then will be a new need

awk: will be lots of discussion about disproportionate impact on COGA or LV. but lots of people have issues with pw

sh: agree, everybody has issues with pw. not quite threshold.
... dots (masking) is the issue

RESOLUTION: Shawn to write password visibility addition to 3.7.1

close item

italics, bold, underline #50 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/50

italics, bold, underline #50

this is a rewording of 3.3.3 and new intro for 3.5.1

RESOLUTION: reword 3.3.3 and change intro for 3.5.1 per issue discussion

3.3.4 capitalization - orthography #65 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/65

<scribe> ACTION: jim to write COGA about orthgraphy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Write coga about orthgraphy [on Jim Allan - due 2016-06-09].

wd: need vs success critera

sh: commenter - in German, all nouns are capitaized, authors should do it right

awk: english evolved. chances of enforcing "standard english"

close item 4

Editorial: Electronic vs Digital content #66 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/66

RESOLUTION: current wording is fine, not changing

close item 5

Editorial: Language, Jargon #60 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/60

RESOLUTION: use shawn's comment

close item 6

open item 7

Section 2.4 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/68

sh: are light sensitivity and glare sensitivity different?
... is there a condition where glare is an issue but not light

wd: cataracts, issues with ocular fluid

sh: do we change title of 2.4.2 Light sensitivity to include Glare also?

<shawn> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#light-sensitivity

<scribe> ACTION: shawn to write up bit on glare sensitivity to 2.4.2 with Jim (one or two sentences) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Write up bit on glare sensitivity to 2.4.2 with jim (one or two sentences) [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-06-09].

visual clutter

wd: background images

sh: in same category of changing font size, background color, etc.

wd: yes, same category, but need to specify background images

sh: comment - visual clutter is environmental factor. shawn - not so much
... but visual clutter may be a user need. do we have visual clutter covered?

<scribe> ACTION: wayne to review document for adequacy of "visual clutter" coverage and verbiage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Review document for adequacy of "visual clutter" coverage and verbiage [on Wayne Dick - due 2016-06-09].

wd: may need something on tracking and scanning

sh: point 2 & 3 addressed.
... point 1, wording issue
... proposed wording "This section briefly introduces types of visual impairment that impact web use, not including total blindness: Visual acuity (clarity), Light sensitivity, Contrast sensitivity, Field of vision, Color vision"

+1

changed "categories" in original to "types"

<laura> +1

RESOLUTION: change wording for intro in section 2.4

close item 7

Section 2.4.1 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/69

wd: concerned about functional vision when operating the web

RESOLUTION: update document to reflect shawn's wording in the issue

close item 8

Section 2.4.3 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/71

How about change the first sentence from:

Contrast sensitivity is the ability to distinguish bright and dim areas of images, for example, to discern text on a background.

to:

Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness between targets and their backgrounds, for example, to discern text from its background.

wd: targets - poor word

shawn: objects, better

RESOLUTION: change to "Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness between objects and their backgrounds, for example, to discern text from its background.

close item 10

Section 2.4.4 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/72

awk: in item 10, point is not detect difference but to get the information

sh: medical testing vs functioning

awk: contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect difference in brightness in content

sh: are we talking about adjacent information. link in text (distinguished by color), need to be able to tell the difference just by color/brightness

lc: similar to pie charts (adjacent colors)

<AWK> ...to detect differences in content and interfaces, for example,...

ja: pie charts - add texture or other feature for block of color

sh: contrast sensitivity difference in luminance that makes an object distinguishable
... ability to detect difference in brightness.

<shawn> > Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness, for example, to discern text from its background.

<laura> bye

RESOLUTION: 2.4.3 change wording "Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness, for example, to discern text from its background."

trackbot, end meeting

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: jim to write COGA about orthgraphy [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: shawn to write up bit on glare sensitivity to 2.4.2 with Jim (one or two sentences) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: wayne to review document for adequacy of "visual clutter" coverage and verbiage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/02-lvtf-minutes.html#action03]
 

Summary of Resolutions

  1. Shawn to write password visibility addition to 3.7.1
  2. reword 3.3.3 and change intro for 3.5.1 per issue discussion
  3. current wording is fine, not changing
  4. use shawn's comment
  5. change wording for intro in section 2.4
  6. update document to reflect shawn's wording in the issue
  7. change to "Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness between objects and their backgrounds, for example, to discern text from its background.
  8. 2.4.3 change wording "Contrast sensitivity is the ability to detect differences in brightness, for example, to discern text from its background."
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