Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference -- 26 Jan 2016

<clown> agenda: this

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26

<scribe> scribe: joanie

ACTION-1667 (All)

<clown> action-1667?

<trackbot> action-1667 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update the mapping spec for aria role region to reflect its landmark inheritance as defined in the aria 1.1 spec. -- due 2015-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1667

JS: I did this action a long time ago.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-region

JS: This was needed because we changed the spec so that role region now inherits from landmark.
... You'll notice a lot of "TBD" instances in the table.
... ATK is mapped to ROLE_LANDMARK with an object attribute of "xml-roles:region" as per Joanie.

CS: If you assign an action to me, I'll get you the mapping for UIA.

RS: What does Surkov want for the base role?

JS: You (Rich) have an action somewhere to contact Surkov.
... I think you may have done this action already. But I don't recall the outcome.

RS: I'll write Surkov.

JS: I'm assigning action-1667 to Cynthia.
... When she is done, she can re-assign it back to me.

RS: Email sent, and ARIA list copied.

ACTION-1531 (All) Bolter to investigate ia2 mapping of role="text"

<clown> action-1531?

<trackbot> action-1531 -- David Bolter to Bolter to investigate ia2 mapping of role="text" -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1531

JS: I made notes in the action.
... I sent email to Jamie on the list to ask if he really wants ROLE_SYSTEM_STATICTEXT.

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jan/0101.html

JS: Jamie replied that it was "controversial," but that he did think he wanted that mapping.
... Jamie also clarified that ROLE_TEXTFRAME is not necessarily a block element.
... There's an inline property.
... Jamie still prefers the statictext role.
... I've since pinged Surkov to see what he thinks.

RS: If Surkov is around, I can ask him now.

ACTION-1535 (Joseph/James) AXAPI mappings for aria-current (notifications).

<clown> action-1535?

<trackbot> action-1535 -- James Craig to Investigate the axapi mappings for aria-current. -- due 2015-08-18 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1535

<clown> https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146012#c21

JS: I asked on the WebKit bug if, when you change aria-current, does it spawn a notification in WebKit and what is the correct mapping?
... The response (at the URL above) is no notification.
... I suspect Joanie will want a real notification.

JD: Yes.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#event-aria-current

JD: These things (my platform and the Mac) are independent (even in WebKit). So it's no problem.

JS: I would like to close this action (1535). Objections?

RS: Closing it is fine with me.

RESOLUTION: Close action-1535 as complete.

<clown> close action-1535

<trackbot> Closed action-1535.

ACTION-1569/1585 (Joseph/Cynthia/Jason) Add to section on AAPI differences highlighting the features of UIA.

<clown> action-1569?

<trackbot> action-1569 -- Jason Kiss to Create a section that describes AAPI differences -- due 2015-03-03 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1569

<clown> action-1585?

<trackbot> action-1585 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add to the section on differences among aapis highlighting the features of uia. -- due 2016-01-15 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1585

JS: There are two actions involved here.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/issue-540/core-aam/core-aam.html#comparing-accessibility-apis

JS: Jason Kiss a long time ago wrote a section to add to the Core mapping spec comparing accessibility APIs.
... It's at the above link.
... Cynthia wanted to call out differences that might be important to point out regarding UIA.
... She provided me with the text.

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jan/0069.html

JS: Cynthia's text is at the above URL.

<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jan/0119.html

JS: I've sent email to Jason (see above URL).
... I've indicated that I would like to combine his text with Cynthia's.

<clown> action-2008?

<trackbot> action-2008 -- Cynthia Shelly to Handle concept of description property for UIA -- due 2016-02-01 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2008

JS: His text has an indicated he had questions and opened action-2008 for it.

CS: Please change the due date to March 1st.

ACTION-1593 (Cynthia) Compare implementations of AAPI managed states and look for gaps.

<clown> action-1593

<trackbot> action-1593 -- Cynthia Shelly to Compare implementations of AAPI managed states and look for gaps. -- due 2016-01-08 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1593

CS: I've started it, but need more time. Another week should be good.

Question: need mapping entry for default value of aria-current?

JS: aria-current mappings for undefined.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrent

RS: You mean if it's not defined?

JS: Yes.
... The URL above is wrong.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaCurrentUndefined

JS: I was going to delete this table (above URL) because everyone was saying "not mapped"
... The AX API mappings and their test case indicate that they are setting AXAriaCurrent to false.
... This is what they are doing even when the property is absent.

RS: If it's false it doesn't really matter.

JS: Agreed. False and not being there are pretty equivalent.
... I don't recall why UIA wanted it not mapped.

CS: ARIA properties is just a string. So if the property is absent from the element, we don't really have any place to put it.
... And including a default value for every single possible aria property wouldn't make sense.

JS: What about ATK?

JD: Well, the reason I suggested that during out conversation earlier is that if something had aria-current set and then aria-current became undefined, it is expected that the user agent would clear the state active and emit a notification.
... That said, this is not a big deal. And if the user agents keep STATE_ACTIVE on accessible objects which are no longer current, it's a bug.
... In other words, I think this is common sense.

RS: So the answer for ATK is "not mapped"

JD: Sure, that's fine.

ACTION-1691: (Joseph/Cynthia) Propose UIA mapping for aria-errormessage.

<clown> action-1691

<trackbot> action-1691 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose UIA mapping for aria-errormessage. -- due 2015-12-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1691

<clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1691

JS: Cynthia supplied the mapping for aria-errormessage earlier today.
... It's at the above URI (ControllerFor relationship).

RS: I'm just wondering if you might want to use describedby and put something else on it to indicate it was an error message.

CS: I thought that the target of that would have a role of error.

RS: That's rendundant insofar as the ARIA spec is concerned.
... But at the platform level, you could do something to make it clear it's an error message.

CS: ControllerFor you can have multiple targets.
... We use this for autocomplete too.

<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-errormessage

CS: It's a general "this thing is part of me, but not necessarily a child".

RS: How would you know it's a error message with ControllerFor?

CS: I was thinking/hoping we would have an error role.

JS: Was that for ARIA or just UIA?

CS: (ARIA)
... I asked for a label role in the past.

JS and RS: We ditched that.

JS: ATK has a label role.

RS: Open an issue for an error role.

CS: Having roles for errormessage and labels makes the code more readible and the mapping easier.

RS: What if it is pointing to details?

CS: I think that's unlikely.
... And I would put a container around it.

<cyns> ISSUE: Add and error role

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-1010 - Add and error role. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1010/edit>.

CS: I don't think we need a role for extended description.

<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#aria-errormessage

RS: I'll propose a relationship for extended description.

<clown> issue-1010

<trackbot> issue-1010 -- Add an error role -- open

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1010

CS: If I don't have an equivalent relationship on my platform, I will likely map it to ControllerFor.
... And adding relations is harder than adding control types.

Triage: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23

action-1625

<trackbot> action-1625 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add interactive property to core mappings that propogates from grid or table to all grid aria grid or table structural elements. the interactive property should have same mapping as defined in issue 633 -- due 2015-09-08 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1625

JS: This is one of mine.
... I've been putting it off because I think that this interactive property will not make it into ARIA 1.1.

RS: Correct, it didn't make it into ARIA 1.1.
... Move your action to ARIA 2.

JS: Issue 633 was a PF issue and it's now closed.

RS: The reason we moved this issue to ARIA 2 is custom widgets, the need for new platform API, etc.

JS: Action 1625 is now associated with ARIA 2.

RS: (Reads from action)

JS: It's unfortunate that Issue 633 is gone because we need to refer to that text in order to address the action.

action-1661

<trackbot> action-1661 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose uia express and uia mappings for aria-roledescription. -- due 2015-12-31 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1661

JS: This is another action for me.
... This is assigned to me because Cynthia has already provided the mapping for her platform.

<clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaRoleDescription

JS: The URL above is for roledescription.
... Is the text right for UIA, Cynthia?

CS: Yes, that is correct.

RESOLUTION: Close action 1661 as complete.

<clown> close action-1661

<trackbot> Closed action-1661.

action-1692

<trackbot> action-1692 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1692

JS: Reminder to Joanie to do this.

JD: I haven't done this yet.
... I have an idea of how to solve it and we discussed it last week, I think.

JS: It's not in the action, but I think it was to use describedby/descriptionfor.

JD: Correct.

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