Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference

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<trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference

<trackbot> Date: 06 January 2016

Status of related working group activities

<fjh> ivan: nothing new with CSV, shutting down after completing work, will be community group

<fjh> rob: social web almost going to CR with activity streams, talking about testing, may to to CR end of month, or next

<fjh> ivan: of course exiting CR is different from entering, depending on implementations

<fjh> rob: issue is not implementations in general but coverage of all features, should not impact Annotation as we also have implementations of what we need

<fjh> fjh: depends on whether things are appropriately marked as at-risk

<davis_salisbury> Apologies from me, just had to wrap up something at work before calling in.

<fjh> ScribeNick: fjh

<azaroth> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Minutes of previous call are approved

<azaroth> http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

Minutes Approval

RESOLUTION: Minutes of previous call are approved http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html

Planning for 2016

from agenda - Overall timeline before end of charter

* What is "success" for the WG?

* Steps needed to get to CR for model, protocol, findtext

* What to do for other chartered work?

* Face to face meeting in Europe

* Who can contribute what?

- Especially client implementations and testing?

rob: current thinking is that we need another F2F, in Europe
... need focus and volunteers for client implementations that implement spec - currently I have server implementations
... need at least 2 implementations
... ivan can you please remind us of formal steps to enter and leave CR

ivan: with today's process, CR means technical work is done and that all outstanding issues have been addressed
... now LC and CR are merged so only one formal step
... need to specify exit criteria as well for exiting CR
... once exiting can ask for PR
... timing requires minimum 4 weeks for AC to vote to go to REC from PR, could possibly get extension for that
... not much experience with merged LC-CR, useful to do informal LC to make sure have feedback
... implementations have to prove that spec can be implemented, is consistent, etc - task during CR
... need also to declare which features are at-risk when going into CR, not sure what social web is doing
... if there are flaws then can issue a second CR
... minimum time for CR is 4-6 weeks
... most groups have it be longer

rob: charter ends in Oct, TPAC is in Sept, so we need to enter CR in beginning of July

ivan: need transition call which requires scheduling
... could add a week for example

rob: such timelines apply to all deliverables
... if we can get model done early then could focus on findtext and protocol

ivan: need to discuss

F2F meeting

ivan: have looked into possible meeting in Berlin, iAnnotate may take place in Berlin, March, early April
... don't know the details

rob: will follow up

<azaroth> scribenick: azaroth

<fjh> ack

fjh: Easter Monday is 28th of March, good to keep in mind

Ivan: so 25-28 doesn't work, and AC meeting week of the 21st

Rob: Beginning of April looks better

Ivan: Bad period for me, hopefully earlier in March

Rob: Earlier in March is bad for me unfortunately

Ivan: If it doesn't work, we'll find another place

Doug: Have gotten Dan to move the conference and then not having a meeting would not be great

Ivan: Agreed, need to look at the dates. Would be good to fix them soon
... There's a planning meeting for I Annotate tomorrow
... For Hypothes.is and the Berlin folks. So we should know by next week

<fjh> ScribeNick: fjh

Plans for Deliverables

rob: serialization and model is solid deliverable
... should also be able to progress FindText and protocol
... others could be treated as notes
... progress on them could feed into new charter and continued work

doug: getting to CR is not good enough, need to make sure of implementations

<azaroth> scribenick: azaroth

fjh: CR period is going to be longer than required
... could be much longer, so need to be realistic about the timeline

<ivan> +1 to Frederick

fjh: maybe the model will go through easily. Less convinced about findtext.
... Same applies to protocol

Doug: I'd argue that the model has the same problems
... As far as I understand the goal is to get significant deployment among widely used implementations. Nice but not required to have browsers

<fjh> fjh: we can expect longer CR than minimum to enable implementations etc, so I think we will run out of charter time

Doug: WIthout that it doesn't matter how quickly we get to CR

<fjh> fjh: need to be realistic about what we communicate

<scribe> scribenick: fjh

doug: need to get commercial implementations, going beyond open source, may go into next year
... need to include others like hypothes.is in conversation re timeline

+1

rob: doug can you help with this

doug: yes, will continue what i am doing, need contact for digo
... need up to date list of implementations

<bigbluehat> shepazu: https://docs.google.com/a/hypothes.is/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am32b0H2bOCCdFgwRDh6UVIxVzI4ajdadEJVTEZkX0E#gid=0

doug: need to be able to make case to director that we have right implementers

<PaoloCiccarese> Is Hypothes.is committed to implement the specs at this point?

ivan: number of publishers and IDPF want to update to using WebAnnotation, so those can add to implementations
... agree with concern of protocol and findText

davis_salisbury: starting to work on prototype at Wiley, will keep you informed
... based on peer review

<azaroth> scribenick: azaroth

fjh: Do you have any idea of timing?

davis_salisbury: I think we'll have something to see by spring
... we have people collaborating with us on the development but based around a much larger project around journal workflow
... a piece of it, so might get tricky
... annotation is deemed to be a very important part of the workflow

fjh: Went through the Hypothes.is spreadsheet and there's lots that are dead or gone. Some are still relevant. Need to make a list of people who are active

<Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to note 3+ CH implementations

<fjh> rob: many implementations in cultural heritage domain, looking to move Web Annotation, model reflects many of their requirements

<fjh> doug: can you please list those

<fjh> rob: yes

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