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15:30:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2666
15:30:02 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:30:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
15:30:03 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2016
15:30:33 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/CABevsUHxoqTcZ_8PTDCJbM7-w_qDbr7xckUaYx4jt8V=tSBg4Q@mail.gmail.com
15:31:11 <ivan> Regrets: Tim, Chris
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15:42:44 <azaroth> trackbot, start meeting
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15:42:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2666
15:42:48 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:42:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
15:42:49 <trackbot> Date: 06 January 2016
15:42:57 <azaroth> Present+ Rob_Sanderson
15:43:05 <azaroth> Chair: Rob_Sanderson, Frederick_Hirsch
15:43:17 <azaroth> Regrets+ Tim_Cole, Chris_Birk
15:51:23 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
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15:58:36 <shepazu> present+ shepazu
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15:59:41 <ivan> Present+ Ivan
16:01:49 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:01:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-annotation-minutes.html fjh
16:02:39 <fjh> Regrets- Tim, Chris
16:02:46 <Jacob> Present+ Jacob_Jett
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16:08:20 <fjh> ivan: nothing new with CSV, shutting down after completing work, will be community group
16:08:48 <fjh> rob: social web almost going to CR with activity streams, talking about testing, may to to CR end of month, or next
16:09:11 <fjh> ivan: of course exiting CR is different from entering, depending on implementations
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16:09:23 <davis_salisbury> Present+ davis_salisbury
16:09:51 <fjh> rob: issue is not implementations in general  but coverage of all features, should not impact Annotation as we also have implementations of what we need
16:10:05 <fjh> fjh: depends on whether things are appropriately marked as at-risk
16:10:39 <davis_salisbury> Apologies from me, just had to wrap up something at work before calling in.
16:11:59 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
16:12:06 <azaroth> PROPOSED RESOLUTION:  Minutes of previous call are approved
16:12:06 <azaroth> http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html
16:12:12 <fjh> Topic: Minutes Approval
16:12:25 <fjh> RESOLUTION:  Minutes of previous call are approved http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-annotation-minutes.html
16:12:36 <fjh> Topic: Planning for 2016
16:12:49 <fjh> from agenda -  Overall timeline before end of charter
16:12:50 <fjh>   * What is "success" for the WG?
16:12:52 <fjh>   * Steps needed to get to CR for model, protocol, findtext
16:12:53 <fjh>   * What to do for other chartered work?
16:12:54 <fjh>   * Face to face meeting in Europe
16:12:55 <fjh>   * Who can contribute what?
16:12:56 <fjh>      - Especially client implementations and testing?
16:13:25 <fjh> i/nothing new/Topic: Status of related working group activities
16:13:33 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:13:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-annotation-minutes.html fjh
16:14:09 <fjh> rob: current thinking is that we need another F2F, in Europe
16:14:50 <fjh> rob: need focus and volunteers for client implementations that implement spec - currently I have server implementations
16:15:07 <fjh> ... need at least 2 implementations
16:15:38 <fjh> ... ivan can you please remind us of formal steps to enter and leave CR
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16:16:04 <fjh> ivan: with today's process, CR means technical work is done and that all outstanding issues have been addressed
16:16:17 <fjh> ... now LC and CR are merged so only one formal step
16:16:53 <fjh> ... need to specify exit criteria as well for exiting CR
16:17:01 <fjh> ... once exiting can ask for PR
16:18:04 <fjh> ... timing requires minimum 4 weeks for AC  to vote to go to REC from PR, could possibly get extension for that
16:19:33 <fjh> ... not much experience with merged LC-CR, useful to do informal LC to make sure have feedback
16:19:52 <fjh> ... implementations have to prove that spec can be implemented, is consistent, etc - task during CR
16:20:36 <fjh> ... need also to declare which features are at-risk when going into CR, not sure what social web is doing
16:21:26 <fjh> ... if there are flaws then can issue a second CR
16:21:36 <fjh> ... minimum time for CR is 4-6 weeks
16:21:52 <fjh> ... most groups have it be longer
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16:23:26 <fjh> rob: charter ends in Oct, TPAC is in Sept, so we need to enter CR in beginning of July
16:23:37 <fjh> ivan: need transition call which requires scheduling
16:24:07 <fjh> ... could add a week for example
16:24:29 <fjh> rob: such timelines apply to all deliverables
16:24:57 <fjh> ... if we can get model done early then could focus on findtext and protocol
16:25:00 <fjh> ivan: need to discuss
16:26:01 <fjh> Topic: F2F meeting
16:27:07 <fjh> ivan: have looked into possible meeting in Berlin, iAnnotate may take place in Berlin, March, early April
16:27:12 <fjh> ... don't know the details
16:27:52 <fjh> rob: will follow up
16:27:59 <fjh> q+
16:28:06 <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth
16:28:26 <fjh> ack
16:28:29 <fjh> ack fjh
16:28:36 <azaroth> fjh: Easter Monday is 28th of March, good to keep in mind
16:29:00 <azaroth> Ivan: so 25-28 doesn't work, and AC meeting week of the 21st
16:29:11 <azaroth> Rob: Beginning of April looks better
16:29:20 <azaroth> Ivan: Bad period for me, hopefully earlier in March
16:29:38 <azaroth> Rob: Earlier in March is bad for me unfortunately
16:29:55 <azaroth> Ivan: If it doesn't work, we'll find another place
16:30:21 <azaroth> Doug: Have gotten Dan to move the conference and then not having a meeting would not be great
16:30:33 <azaroth> Ivan: Agreed, need to look at the dates. Would be good to fix them soon
16:30:55 <azaroth> ... There's a planning meeting for I Annotate tomorrow
16:31:18 <azaroth> ... For Hypothes.is and the Berlin folks. So we should know by next week
16:32:14 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
16:32:19 <fjh> Topic: Plans for Deliverables
16:32:21 <shepazu> q+
16:32:37 <fjh> rob: serialization and model is solid deliverable
16:32:52 <fjh> rob: should also be able to progress FindText and protocol
16:33:07 <fjh> ... others could be treated as note
16:33:10 <fjh> s/note/notes/
16:33:18 <azaroth> ack shepazu
16:33:23 <fjh> ... progress on them could feed into new charter and continued work
16:34:01 <fjh> doug: getting to CR is not good enough, need to make sure of impleme tations
16:34:15 <fjh> s/impleme tations/implementations/
16:34:38 <fjh> q+
16:34:50 <azaroth> ack fjh
16:34:57 <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth
16:35:04 <azaroth> fjh: CR period is going to be longer than required
16:35:14 <azaroth> ... could be much longer, so need to be realistic about the timeline
16:35:18 <ivan> +1 to Frederick
16:35:32 <azaroth> ... maybe the model will go through easily. Less convinced about findtext.
16:35:42 <azaroth> ... Same applies to protocol
16:35:56 <azaroth> Doug: I'd argue that the model has the same problems
16:36:16 <ivan> q+
16:36:28 <azaroth> ... As far as I understand the goal is to get significant deployment among widely used implementations. Nice but not required to have browsers
16:36:34 <fjh> fjh: we can expect longer CR than minimum to enable implementations etc, so I think we will run out of charter time
16:36:38 <azaroth> ... WIthout that it doesn't matter how quickly we get to CR
16:36:46 <fjh> fjh: need to be realistic what we communicate
16:36:53 <fjh> s/what/about what/
16:36:54 <azaroth> scribenick: fjh
16:37:19 <fjh> doug: need to get commercial implementations, going beyond open source, may go into next year
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16:38:08 <fjh> doug: need to include others like hypothes.is in conversation re timeline
16:38:10 <fjh> +1
16:38:21 <fjh> rob: doug can you  help with this
16:38:48 <fjh> doug: yes, will continue what i am doing, need contact for digo
16:38:49 <fjh> ... need up to date list of implementations
16:38:51 <davis_salisbury> q+
16:38:53 <fjh> q+
16:38:53 <bigbluehat> shepazu: https://docs.google.com/a/hypothes.is/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am32b0H2bOCCdFgwRDh6UVIxVzI4ajdadEJVTEZkX0E#gid=0
16:39:12 <azaroth> ack ivan
16:39:19 <fjh> doug: need to be able to make case to director that we have right implementers
16:40:10 <PaoloCiccarese> Is Hypothes.is committed to implement the specs at this point?
16:40:27 <fjh> ivan: number of publishers and IDPF want to update to using WebAnnotation, so those can add to implementations
16:40:31 <azaroth> q+ to note 3+ CH implementations
16:40:36 <azaroth> ack davis_salisbury
16:40:41 <fjh> ... agree with concern of protocol and findText
16:41:12 <fjh> davis_salisbury: starting to work on prototype at Wiley,  will keep you informed
16:41:38 <azaroth> ack fjh
16:41:38 <fjh> ... based on peer review
16:41:45 <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth
16:41:52 <azaroth> fjh: Do you have any idea of timing?
16:42:02 <azaroth> davis_salisbury: I think we'll have something to see by spring
16:42:18 <azaroth> ... we have people collaborating with us on the development but based around a much larger project around journal workflow
16:42:25 <azaroth> ... a piece of it, so might get tricky
16:42:33 <azaroth> ... annotation is deemed to be a very important part of the workflow
16:43:08 <azaroth> fjh: Went through the Hypothes.is spreadsheet and there's lots that are dead or gone. Some are still relevant. Need to make a list of people who are active
16:43:14 <azaroth> q?
16:43:16 <azaroth> ack azaroth
16:43:16 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to note 3+ CH implementations
16:44:05 <fjh> rob: many implementations in culteral heritage domain, looking to move Web Annotation, model reflects many of their requirements
16:44:17 <fjh> s/culteral/cultural/
16:44:25 <fjh> doug: can you please list those
16:44:27 <fjh> rob: yes
16:45:55 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:45:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-annotation-minutes.html ivan
16:46:13 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:46:13 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:46:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ivan, Frederick_Hirsch, Rob_Sandersion, Rob_Sanderson, Tim_Cole, Benjamin_Young, Jacob_Jett, shepazu, davis_salisbury, Paolo_Ciccarese
16:46:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:46:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/01/06-annotation-minutes.html trackbot
16:46:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:46:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items