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<JohnRochford> Jim, I can't get in to the conf call.
<JohnRochford> access codes being reported as invalid
<JohnRochford> I'm using the ones in your message
<JohnRochford> Has the meeting started?
<JohnRochford> That might be it
<JohnRochford> Good morning to you too!
<JohnRochford> I'm trying. Now finding password.
<JohnRochford> Hi, yes, I used that password. Unbelievably, I was just presented with a CAPTCHA, which is inaccessible to me.
<JohnRochford> I shall try by phone again.
<JohnRochford> I will send it to you, Jim, via email.
<JohnRochford> I'm in WebEx now
<AWK> +AWK
<AWK> +Erich_Manser
<AWK> Scribe: Laura
AWK: Looking at overview of
lowvision Wikii page. Want to move it to Git Hub.
... How do we want to use it in the overview?
<allanj> Shawn categories:
<allanj> Luminance and color
<allanj> Visual acuity
<allanj> Perceiving (Letter Characteristics)
<allanj> Spacing for Reading
<allanj> Distinguishing
<allanj> Perceptual area
<allanj> Tracking
<allanj> Point of Regard and Proximity
AWK: Initially had some other factors.
<allanj> Printing is missing from list above
AWK: What makes the most sense?
<Wayne> is there a different code?
John: list near sighted and farsighted under visual acuity?
Shawn: maybe in the overview as it is related to all.
Jim: Should focus on: can’t see the screen.
AWK: Far more nuanced.
<allanj> Katie+
Shawn: We need to find the link to piror minutes
John: Do we need to figure this out now?
AWK: Good point.
... Is everything captured in the second group?
... Don’t think it is a problem.
Katie: Think it may be too broad.
AWK: Distinguishing may not fit.
Katie: Barriers to distinguishing. Or ability to distinguish.
<Wayne> One issue is that individual impairments may imply multiple categories
John: why are we going int solutions?
Shawn: 2 different things.
AWK: Feels like the distinguishing section is more about perceiving element characteristics.
<allanj> Illumination/contrast discussion link added to the Overview Wiki
<Wayne> Fatigue occurs in almost conditions.
Katie: How about distinguishing and identifying?
AWK: The 3 things are definitely related.
Jim: Distinguishing is part of the spacing.
<shawn> how about Distinguishing Elements (e.g., headings)
Jim: All closely related.
John: Suggest don’t get into detail at this point.
AWK: look at tweaking these. Perhaps change the headings.
John: yes.
Katie: the need is the inability to distingusish.
<allanj> awk - requirement is the user needs to be able to distinguish
<JohnRochford> Clarification: I said "yes" to the characterization that this is a user needs doc, not a solutions doc.
AWK: Need to look at categories
more.
... Tracking feels like they may be needs or solutions.
... Overview is general document and a frame work.
... shouldn’t be about the solutions.
<JohnRochford> +1
+1
<shawn> +1 agree to Andrew's overview of the sections & this doc , and next
<allanj> overview of low vision issues - broad strokes, general. set up a framework/categories
<allanj> requirements of specific user needs based on framework
<allanj> separate doc: solutions - techniques
<Zakim> Ryladog, you wanted to add that the NEED is to be able to Distinguish and Identify
Katie: Need is to distinguish and identify.
Wayne: Wonder if we need a middle section and think of these in terms of POUR.
<shawn> Wayne: Visual acuity is physical limitation whereas Luminance is @@
AWK: one topic for overview is
perceptual area
... Can have things fit together.
... Move text around so that we only have one list
Wayne: Kind of losing things with luminance and color. Contrast sensitivity and light sensitivity.
<shawn> Wayne: contrast sensitivity, light sensitivity, color perception
AWK: For overview talk about 3
bullets.
... Categories and desired outcomes.
Wayne: Hard to measure fatigue. But we need to address it as it is a barrier for users.
AWK: Yes, we need to address the fatigue issue.
Wayne: Environmental issues are important.
AWK: Can move categories to GitHub. Are people okay with that?
Shawn: maybe work in the Wiki for a while.
<shawn> [ thinking about POUR... most of these are P I think... I agree save this until later ]
<allanj> jim tackle acuity overview
<allanj> wayne - luiminance and color
<allanj> andrew - perceptual
Wayne: Luminance and color
Jim: Visual acuity
<AWK> Trackbot, end meeting
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