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<trackbot> Date: 03 September 2015
<scribe> Scribe: Stefan
MC: first status charter status
Janina: no specific news
Janijna: we have authority to publish
Janina: we will have quite abit
of agenda a TPAC
... new charter not yet approved
MC: have care that after approval
we will have to rejoin groups
... formal news mail will be send around
... when this happens
<joanie> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#item08
Joanie: will paste alink
... last weeks minutes - there was red resolution
<clown> "rs: agree we need to postpone this to interaction discussion"
Joanie: rich do we have
inheritance issue? .. yes
... consensus was .. lets wait until joanie is back
... are associated with other issue
... bottom line I think we decided we are not going to address
it for now
MC: class hierarchy actions stand out of the main line work .. maybe we allow this to wait and ignore it for the moment
Joanie: if consensus is dont do now then good
Cynthia: maybe issue around inheritance
MC: not sure when it is good
moment to do it
... will take it on my list
• https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/736 • https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1710 (Rich) • https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1711 (Joseph) • https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1712 (Joanie)
joseph: rich said FS is fine with it, joanie too others too (Mozilla)
MC: rich created spinoff issue for link
joseph: we could close 1710 and 1711
MC: we should record resolution
<clown> proposal Remove "Accessible name required" and "name from contents" from characteristics table for role listitem
<bgaraventa1979> +1
<joanie> +1000
<fesch> +1
+1
<jongund> +1
<JemmaKu> +1
RESOLUTION: Remove "Accessible name required" and "name from contents" from characteristics table for role listitem
<MichaelC> issue-736: Resolution in 3 Sept 2015 ARIA meeting to accept the change; leaving issue open pending completion of ACTION-1712 to ask if objections from Apple
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-736 aria-label overriding listitem and treeitem content when need to know content is valuable.
<MichaelC> action-1712: this action is now to check for objection to resolution from 3 Sep 2015
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1712 Get with apple to discuss name from content removal from listitems and no longer requiring names on lists.
<MichaelC> close action-1710
<trackbot> Closed action-1710.
<MichaelC> close action-1712
<trackbot> Closed action-1712.
<MichaelC> close action-1711
<trackbot> Closed action-1711.
<MichaelC> reopen action-1712
<trackbot> Re-opened action-1712.
<MichaelC> ACTION: joanie to Remove "Accessible name required" and "name from contents" from characteristics table for role listitem [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/03-aria-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1721 - Remove "accessible name required" and "name from contents" from characteristics table for role listitem [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-09-10].
<MichaelC> trackbot, associate action-1721 with issue-736
<trackbot> action-1721 (Remove "accessible name required" and "name from contents" from characteristics table for role listitem) associated with issue-736.
<MichaelC> issue-1721: do after completion of action-1712
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-1721 .
<clown> issue-633
<trackbot> issue-633 -- listbox and tree may contain only static items; badly need interactive widgets that can contain interactive typed items -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/633
Stefan: there is room for improvement in wording of spec
<clown> <div role=listview itemrole="link" aria-multiselectable="false">
<clown> <A aria-posinset="1" ..../>
<clown> <A aria-posinset="2" aria-active="true" ... />
<clown> <a aria-posinset="3" ... />
<clown> </div>
Jon: main example is that people create menus and menu items are links
Brian: no simple way to fix it
MC: lot of complicated issues .. we should make som list discussion happen
<janina> We were expecting Matt to start rejoining our Thursday calls. I rather even expected him today. Maybe next Thursday!
Stefan: I can start thread on
mailing list with issue/action in subject
... and hopefully it will come to live
<janina> Yeah! Welcome back, Matt!
Matt: we need clear definition of
problem first
... this is missing in issue/actio n
<clown> action-1703
<trackbot> action-1703 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Ask the aria task force about the need for a special figure role that would be brought up in a list of figures. also, discuss whether this would be a suitable default role for html figure. -- due 2015-08-21 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703
<joanie> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#item03
Fred: we want to use figure inside of svg
MC: figure is landmark role?
Fred: not particulary
... better have list of figures separately
MC: will aria-labelledby work?
Fred: yes
MC: svg will use regular aria labelling mechanisms
Fred: in svg we have own mapping spec
MC: fig differ from img role?
Fred: you cannot explore
img
... figure can have interactive things
... will all go into SVG stuff
Stefan: SVG
Matt: do you think figure is widget, fred?
Fred: we are going beyond
that
... mult. modes of nav, assistive tech acc. task force will do
that
Janina: maybe not same correspondance to widget
MC: widgets in ARIA spec have concept that they are interactive
+1
+q
MC: img can contain more that
images accoerding to the ARIA spec
... do we want figure role?
Stefan: I think this has been already decided in last meeting
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#img
<MichaelC> action-1708?
<trackbot> action-1708 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create proposed text for a new figure role to joanie to put in a brancth for review -- due 2015-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1708
<MichaelC> action-1709?
<trackbot> action-1709 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Get with steve faulkner to discuss the html figure element mapping to role figure -- due 2015-09-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1709
<MichaelC> action-1708: see discussion in 3 Sep 2015 minutes for issues around inheritance, content model, labeling, focus management
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1708 Create proposed text for a new figure role to joanie to put in a brancth for review.
Fred: user agent should handle
keyboard navigation
... in SVG mappings are already done
MC: Rich should make concrete proposal based on last week's discussion
Matt: aria figure element is 1:1 mapping with HTML figure lelement?
MC: mapping could be broad enough
-q
<Zakim> clown, you wanted to point out that role="img" has "children are presentational".
<joanie> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/27-aria-minutes.html#item03
Joanmarie: it is widgety I'm
hearing today
... we are not on same page that worries me
... is the SVG a container of whatever?
Fred: its a container and tab stops inside will have semantic importance+
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/html-aam/html-aam.html#el-map
Fred: if SVG isnt explorable we will give role img
Stefan: if it is explorable we would need role figure since figure element in HTML is also potentially explorable and may contain active content
MC: HTML figure can be interactive but doesn't have to be
<clown> w3c.github.io/aria/html-aam/html-aam.html#el-figure
MC: we can classify it as interactive nevertheless
<clown> mapped as "group"
MC: classification is not big concern, lets do Rich drat his proposal and then review it
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0096.html
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0096.html
<clown> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0092.html
<MichaelC> action-1715?
<trackbot> action-1715 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Get with Steve Falkner on acceptance of new figure role to be used by HTML -- due 2015-09-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1715
<MichaelC> action-1715: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Aug/0092.html
<trackbot> Notes added to action-1715 Get with Steve Falkner on acceptance of new figure role to be used by HTML.
<MichaelC> action-1703?
<trackbot> action-1703 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Ask the aria task force about the need for a special figure role that would be brought up in a list of figures. also, discuss whether this would be a suitable default role for html figure. -- due 2015-08-21 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1703
Stefan: I can mail Rich on public list to enhance proposal mentioning that content is potentially interactive
<clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/html51/semantics.html#the-figure-element
Stefan: this is important to mention since for inactive content we have role img already
MC: neyt week we are in approval mode
<clown> issue-740?
<trackbot> issue-740 -- Deprecating gridcell for grids and use cell -- open
<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/740
Stefan: cell :)
Matt: do we need to specify both for a while?
MC: no
<jnurthen> I would advise "cell gridcell" though
<jnurthen> :)
+1
;)
Matt: cell is just a container
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#cell
<clown> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#gridcell
MC: cell used in tables, gridcell in grids
Cynthia: I'm fine with the
change
... I think everything is potentially interactive
Stefan: this is VERY true
Matt: why not create synonyms, cell is the role?
Joseph: we cant make them synonyms since cell is a superclass of gridcell in the taxonomy
Janina: any reasons why this nees to be done in ARIA 1.1?
joseph: we should log we should do confirmation round with Rich presentr
MC: resolutuon?
RESOLUTION: DO NOT DEPRECATE GRID CELL
<MichaelC> issue-740: in discussion in 3 Sep 2015 meeting WG does not think gridcell should be deprecated; but leaving issue open for RS to confirm
<trackbot> Notes added to issue-740 Deprecating gridcell for grids and use cell.
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