Web Payments IG -- 24 Aug 2015

<aylcw3c> +present

<dezell> scribenick: collier-matthew

<evert> evert

dezell: Confirm the agenda, any changes?
... the topic for the coming weeks is the upcoming F2F meeting

F2F in Sapporo

<dezell> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/FTF_Oct2015

dezell: there is alot of accumulated wisdom in the wiki page which includes a timeline.
... we have two weeks to get this together
... there's lots of information in the notes
... we're looking for people to champion topic areas
... dezell I am signed up to do ecommerce along with Jheuer
... last week we had the working call on Thursday
... the F2F was discussed, but I'm not clear on the difference between candidate topics and notes.

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to ask about discussing work plan.

manu: last thursday we had a high level discussion about F2F

<manu> Concrete Proposal for Organizing pre-TPAC Work: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments-ig/2015Aug/0101.html

manu: I went through the wiki and added stakeholder groups
... I would like to talk about a concrete schedule

dezell: You are referring to the schedule that you just pasted into the minutes?

manu: Yes.
... I attempted to organize agendas for the next 5 meetings.
... summarizes document
... any questions?

<dezell> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/StakeholderPriorities

dezell: I was not at the meeting on Thursday.
... Is our purpose to make the stakeholder priorities the goal post for discussion in preparation for the F2F meeting?

Ian: we are trying to figure out what's next for the web of payments.
... I think that the way we will learn that is by hearing from people.
... 1) stakeholder based, 2) topic based
... there is some overlap
... what I hope to do is to find people who would like to lead stakeholder group preparation.

<Ian> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/StakeholderPriorities

Ian: people are going to step up to take up preparations for various topics
... a lot of this work could be done by email.
... we are trying to get people to step-up.

dezell: that helps me since I've been contacting people.

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention that topic-based may emerge from stakeholder-based discussion. and to volunteer to start threads for each stakeholder group via email

manu: Ian said we're looking at topic based discussion as well as stakeholder based.
... which one do we do first?
... I can start email threads for each topic...

Ian: I would like to distribute the work

<manu> Fine w/ having stakeholder people start the thread

<manu> as long as it's this week.

Ian: I think it would be best if interested parties step up and start the email threads

<Zakim> padler, you wanted to ask if it would be good to frame specific questions or consistent structure for each of these groups?

<manu> or as soon as possible - we should let them know that this is high-priority and they need to start the threads soon.

padler: I like the idea of having stakeholder groups express what's important to them
... is there a way we can frame questions for stakeholder groups?

<aylcw3c> I accept

padler: should we be setting expectations for what we're looking for for each group?
... what are the key things we want to hit on for each group?

<aylcw3c> @ Adrian: sure thing mate

<AdrianHB> +1 to padler - let's have a list of high level questions (and perhaps a wiki page for each where we collect answers)

<Ryladog> I am on the phone only, not webex

Ian: It is a good idea to think about the types of questions we would like each group to answer.
... For me there is no either/or regarding how we approach the issues that we should be discussing at the meeting.

jheuer: I'm not sure what the status of identity is.
... who is responsible for identity?

Ian: we're looking for people to step up for various topics.

<aylcw3c> I also know a Financial Ontology Expert - good for Identity effort (for financial services)

Ian: we had an identity credentials in June
... manu has been writing up some things to advance the discussion about identity and credentials
... we're trying to figure out how to constructively move forward.
... those discussions are ongoing
... I don't know how it relates to F2F agenda
... There are some disputes in the team about what to do

<Zakim> dezell, you wanted to speak on "concrete"

Ian: I am unsure about the relation of the topic of identity to the F2F meeting.

dezell: One proposal about how to contribute.

we need about 20 minutes of prep for 40 minutes of discussion.

Erik: Arie and I will be discussing identity and credentials

<aylcw3c> Arie confirms

Erik: give us a week to come up with something

Ian: for each group, if the first pass were to be to come up with a few goals...
... What is it that we are organizing the session for?
... identifying what you would like to accomplish would help us

<aylcw3c> Action Items?

Ian: the overall discussion should be what w3c should do next for the web.

<Ian> " Reach consensus on the next standardization priority and develop a plan and timeline for the creation and socialization of a new Working Group Charter. "

<dezell> dezell suggests categories: thought, thought+next standardization, thought+links to current work

Ian: just having conversations without that object will not be as useful

dezell: find the next standardization work is the holy grail
... sometimes we need thought provoking discussions, but we need standardization targets
... discussion related to standardization might be the highest priority

<Ian> [Here's a proposal for Thursday call: come up with Pat's template]

dezell: In trying to digest the email from you, Manu...
... there is a long list of topics developing

Ian: if someone is interested in a topic, they should volunteer.
... there is no difference between candidate topics and notes atm
... I am going to fix the document so it's not confusing

dezell: watch this document
... Please volunteer to make a 20 minute presentation if it's something you would like to see discussed at the F2F

manu: what we could do is distribute discussion topics
... we don't have a lot of time
... I'm concerned that this stuff is going to drag on
... rather that our having discussions
... I'd rather have concrete discussion about topics rather than meta-discussions like this one.

dezell: the meeting is coming up soon

<Ian> Current Topics where people have stepped up:

<Ian> Verifiable attributes for Payments on the Web (Manu signed up 2015-08-017)

<Ian> Integrating Commerce and Payments on the Web (Joerg and DavidE signed up 2015-08-017)

<Ian> Mobile operators perspective (Natasha)

<Ian> Payment Service Providers perspective (Alibaba)

<Ian> Banks perspective (Arie Levy Cohen)

dezell: do we want to establish stakeholder leads?

Ian: I'd rather keep the Thursday meeting for a broader agenda

<aylcw3c> Identity & Security (Erik Anderson & Arie Levy Cohen)

Ian: the effort should be to get people to agree to do things.
... and once those people have stepped up, then we can have further discussion
... right now we should be seeking volunteers
... for those who have already volunteered we can setup a schedule to discuss further.
... We're looking for people to organize topics
... we really want to know what people care about.
... Important topics are likely to attract volunteers.

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention how to discuss the "topics" and to agree with Ian!

dezell: Any further discussion?

manu: I agree with Ian. We should schedule something immediately for those who have already volunteered.

<Zakim> padler, you wanted to point to draft questions

<padler> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/StakeholderPriorities

padler: I think it's important for that we communicate what we need from the volunteers

<Ian> +1 to Pat

padler: I added some questions to the document to be used as a template for discussion.
... I added some examples to check for reaction
... this will help us identify opportunities for standardization

<Ian> -1 to picking one or the other

padler: what types of discussions do we want to have at the F2F? Do we want stakeholder focus, or stick to a functional focus.

<aylcw3c> So, concern driven?

Ian: I want to -1 padler either/or suggestion
... I want to hear what people want to talk about.
... I do not want to limit ourselves.

padler: I'm not suggesting we do one or the other

<aylcw3c> Needs & Concerns

<Ian> +1 to Pat's organizational proposal

padler: If we have stakeholder groups present their concerns it would be helpful

<Zakim> padler, you wanted to clarify suggestion..

dezell: and further discussion about F2F

Ian: Please register if you have not already done so.

<Ian> Please register -> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/Overview.html#registration

dezell: there a lot of actions building up
... please complete or close items there
... I did not schedule any discussion of the charter

Charter Review

Capabilities Document

padler: I have not had much time to spend on the capabilities document.
... I will have more time this week to work on it

dezell: I've started working on the commerce section.
... I've circulated some notes.

<Zakim> manu, you wanted to apologize on lack of progress, will not be available Wed/Thu this week - will try to get his section done soon-ish.

manu: I have not made progress on my section
... I will not be here on Thursday to discuss capabilities.

padler: My suggestions for the F2F were in hopes that we can get some good input into the capabilities document.

<dezell> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/StakeholderPriorities#Draft_Questions

dezell: any other business?

padler: What's happening with the payment agent?

dezell: could you send me an email on that?

padler: yes

<jheuer> I won't be back before Sep 17! Vacation!

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- DRAFT -

Web Payments IG
24 Aug 2015

Attendees

Contents

F2F in Sapporo

Charter Review

Capabilities Document

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output

- DRAFT -

Web Payments IG 24 Aug 2015

Attendees

Contents

F2F in Sapporo

Charter Review

Capabilities Document

Summary of Action Items

Scribe.perl diagnostic output

Web Payments IG
24 Aug 2015