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<trackbot> Date: 21 January 2015
<janina> Meeting: PFWG telecon
<janina> agenda: this
<JF> scribe
<janina> scribe: jf
JS: any comments? Around the table
RS: SVG a11y TF will be doing a walk-through of the a11y mapping on friday at 9:00 AM Boston
RESOLUTION: publish last week's minutes as submitted
MC: no spec actions that are recent
js: ONE ON cYN, DID THAT GET DONE?
MC: believe she relied on list - the action is closed
(MC quoting Cyn's response)
<MichaelC> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/wai-liaison/2015Jan/0004.html
JS: welcomes Cho Pandhi, from
IBM
... will pause and do a round-table introduction
[intros all around]
<janina> fzakim, who's on the phone?
<fesch> zakim. who's on the phone?
JS: should follow up with web
notifications folk to ensure they have what they need
... will take that on
<scribe> ACTION: Janina to follow up with web notifications folk on Cyn's response [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/01/21-pf-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1566 - Follow up with web notifications folk on cyn's response [on Janina Sajka - due 2015-01-28].
MC: there are no new LCs - there is something on web performance, but likely not useful for us
<janina> scribe: janina
jf: WebVTT looking for evidence
of wide review
... Discussion about styling support as described in MAUR
... Current proposed approach is styling info in head of WebVTT
doc
... Additional info in email post ...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Jan/0036.html
<JF> scribe: JF
JS: we need to ensure that there is a good review
WebVTT Draft: http://dev.w3.org/html5/webvtt/
JS: we need to follow up on this,
but looking for ideas
... will watch this.
MC: looking for new Community groups more than 3 months old
<MichaelC> -> www.w3.org/community/exploresemdata/ Exploration of Semantic Data CG
JS: suspect we can let that one ride
<MichaelC> -> www.w3.org/community/browserobo/ Browsers and Robotics CG
MC: sees a link to a11y, but unless there is interest at our end...
JS: looks like they are not doing anything
JS: I have been distracted - have
had discussions with Josh Meille (Smith Kettlewell), but have
not yet had a chance to have a conference call with
him/them
... also note that an ISO WG is spending a lot of time looking
at captions and sub-titles
... appears to be complimentary, although there seems to be a
clash of terms
(descriptive audio versus described media)
SC: ready for review
JS: things are rolling
RS: lots happening. SVG TF is
working out taxonomies approach - good progress, good
participation
... digital publishing work is also underway - working with
academia (etc)
... lots of good progress across the board
JS: COGA document was first published last thursday - it is their research and background context for the next step (gap analysis)
<janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2015JanMar/0010.html
JS: comments/review widely
requested
... other issues is last steps for @longdesc
Comments period for AC ended last week, including one objection pointing to the old Apple objection - not sure how that will play out
JS: will review next week
JS: Rich was making some progress,...
RS: Did review of flexbox, and fundemental problem is that author can define order in boxes, so tht they can be rendered on screen. However, need to preserve order
If the regions used landmark markup, then there should not be an a11y issue
BUT if the sequence of content is meaningful - ie the "boxes" need to be rendered in a linear fashion: affects low viz and blind (and coga)
DOM order presents sequence (tab indesing, etc.), but if yo uchange the box order, it looses context for tab-navigating users
lots of push back from the browser vendors, who had a certain way they wanted to do this
so require a means of declaring the need for meaningful sequence
the other issue is with WCAG - which talks about logical order, but never speaks directly to meaningful sequence
working through/with CSS WG - some get it others don't
possible F2F meeting coming up (in sydney)
however, appears that some progress is being made. CSS WG needs to start thinking about a11y, as things are now going beyond just visual rendering
eg: CSS is now injecting content - content needs to be discoverable and testable for a11y content/compliance
many testing tools cannot/ do not detect issues (injection issues)
many of the AT vendors are reliant on DOM parsing - now tools can find images with alt text, taht doesn't exist
strong possibility that AT won't be able to access content, and the test tools won't find it
also, what of a11y mapping? doesn't exist (yet)
there are a number of strategic issues going forward. CSS WG needs to understand what they are 'breaking', and how/why
a lot of folks at AT industry seem to beleive they can sit back - but if they aren't sitting at the table its a huge problem
planning on doing a presentation for mapping, need to do similar for CSS
but having CSS WG aware of the box model issue now is big progress
JS: comments, questons?
JN: while we need to support IE, we also recommend other browsers when a11y is critical
RS: looking to have Freedom Scientific to speak to this
JN: this is becoming less of an issue - can be addressed through the contract language
JS: any other issues?
... adjourned for the day
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