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16:37:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:37:21 <trackbot> Date: 13 November 2014
16:37:37 <mdjp> agenda?
16:37:53 <mdjp> Agenda+ Web Audio Conference Session
16:38:04 <mdjp> Agenda+ Assign open issues which need WG decision to V1 or V.next
16:38:13 <mdjp> Agenda+ Decide on issues marked as “Needs WG Review" to discuss for next call (what can we discuss outside of the telecon)
16:38:22 <mdjp> Agenda+ AOB
16:38:26 <mdjp> agenda?
16:39:00 <mdjp> rrsagent, pointer?
16:39:00 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-audio-irc#T16-39-00
16:39:53 <mdjp> Previous meeting minutes -> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/27-audio-minutes.html
16:40:02 <mdjp> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/28-audio-minutes.html
16:42:32 <mdjp> Chair: joe
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16:59:11 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has now started
16:59:18 <Zakim> +??P11
16:59:39 <Zakim> + +1.650.214.aaaa
16:59:41 <mdjp> Zakim, P11 is me
16:59:41 <Zakim> sorry, mdjp, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
16:59:50 <mdjp> Zakim, ??P11 is me
16:59:50 <Zakim> +mdjp; got it
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17:00:53 <padenot> Zakim, IPCaller is me
17:00:53 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
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17:01:03 <Zakim> +joe
17:01:05 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
17:02:32 <Zakim> +jdsmith
17:02:44 <mdjp> agenda?
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17:04:20 <cwilso> zakim, who is here?
17:04:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see mdjp, +1.650.214.aaaa, padenot, joe, Doug_Schepers, jdsmith
17:04:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see jdsmith, joe, rtoyg_m, hongchan, Zakim, RRSAgent, colinbdclark, marcosc, mdjp, slightlyoff, padenot, paul___irish, Domenic, cwilso, rtoyg, shepazu, trackbot
17:04:29 <cwilso> zakim, aaaa is me
17:04:29 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
17:04:48 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has hongchan
17:04:48 <Zakim> +hongchan; got it
17:04:59 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has rtoyg
17:04:59 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
17:05:16 <mdjp> Zakim, pick scribe
17:05:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick scribe', mdjp
17:05:20 <cwilso> zakim, pick a victim
17:05:20 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Doug_Schepers
17:05:48 <mdjp> Scribe: hongchan
17:06:18 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 1
17:06:18 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Web Audio Conference Session" taken up [from mdjp]
17:06:42 <hongchan> mdjp: Web Audio Conference at IRCAM
17:07:24 <hongchan> mdjp: the idea of having more representation from working group.
17:08:06 <mdjp> http://wac.ircam.fr/
17:08:37 <hongchan>  mdjp: cwilso, padenot and me will be there.
17:09:41 <hongchan> mdjp: we're looking through many papers and they are great examples of user-based outlet.
17:10:07 <hongchan> mdjp: it is beneficial for use to provide support for them as we can.
17:10:57 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 2
17:10:57 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Assign open issues which need WG decision to V1 or V.next" taken up [from mdjp]
17:11:10 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/milestones/Needs%20WG%20decision
17:12:51 <hongchan> joe: shall we just walk through this and discuss?
17:13:07 <hongchan> cwilso: https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/373
17:14:10 <hongchan> …: I don't want to replace the buffer source node we already have.
17:14:32 <hongchan> …: we could add another node can be resued.
17:15:25 <hongchan> joe: this should be v.next.
17:16:25 <hongchan> joe: move on to next issue.
17:16:35 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/371
17:18:11 <hongchan> cwilso: this came up while domenic want to rebuild audio element on top of web audio api.
17:18:54 <hongchan> cwilso: it is about expanding features of decodingAPI.
17:19:08 <hongchan> cwilso: this should be v.next.
17:19:56 <hongchan> joe: don't we need some blanket solution?
17:20:28 <hongchan> cwilso, padenot: blanket solution is not appropriate.
17:21:30 <hongchan> joe: next inter-app audio. https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/358
17:21:51 <hongchan> cwilso: defer decision - leave it as needs working group decision.
17:22:16 <hongchan> joe: what are we waiting for?
17:22:38 <hongchan> cwilso: we need some guidance from developers and users.
17:22:53 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/344
17:23:02 <hongchan> padenot: I like this proposal
17:23:14 <hongchan> cwilso: ok
17:23:58 <hongchan> cwilso: I need to rethrough comments but I think we're heading to the same goal.
17:24:55 <hongchan> cwilso: you can say ready for editing
17:25:03 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/337
17:25:24 <hongchan> cwilso: this is the big one, should go to v2.
17:25:33 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/335
17:25:58 <hongchan> padenot: straight forward to spec and doesn't break a thing.
17:26:14 <hongchan> cwilso: this is not possible with promise because it's repeating
17:26:57 <hongchan> it will change the signature in an unfortunate way
17:27:25 <hongchan> joe: we need to know what the signature is when the callback
17:27:52 <Domenic> in general progress + promises should be something like `getPromise(onProgressCallback).then(onSuccess, onFailure)`
17:28:01 <Domenic> but in this case... not good
17:28:14 <Domenic> streams is a better solution IMO for granular decoding
17:29:09 <hongchan> cwilso: I will follow up with domenic and alex to see what the right pattern for this
17:29:26 <hongchan> joe: I'll leave the review tag on it.
17:30:26 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/331
17:30:53 <hongchan> joe: it looks like chris wants to push this
17:30:59 <hongchan> rtoy: works for me
17:31:46 <hongchan> cwilso: I don't think analyzer is good for the process requires precision.
17:31:52 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/323
17:32:01 <hongchan> padenot: it doesn't break anything.
17:32:08 <hongchan> cwilso: you mean creating a new node
17:32:57 <hongchan> cwilso: certainly there are some demands for this.
17:33:26 <hongchan> cwilso: it is easy to implement but the problem is the stability of biquad filter
17:34:38 <hongchan> rtoy: i'd be happy to ignore this stability issue. then it's on developer's hand.
17:34:46 <hongchan> joe: what is the current proposal?
17:35:02 <hongchan> padenot: exposed coef as audioparam
17:35:17 <hongchan> rtoy: k-rate
17:35:27 <hongchan> joe: i'll mark this as v.1
17:35:37 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/302
17:35:58 <hongchan> joe: this is actually more than the progress
17:36:32 <hongchan> joe: changing the content of offline audio context as progress.
17:37:14 <hongchan> joe: my point of view - chair hat off - so you don't have create nodes up front.
17:37:45 <hongchan> cwilso: rendering the hour of audio to get one file is not great.
17:37:56 <hongchan> joe: that's what I think too.
17:38:19 <hongchan> padenot: yeah i might be doable
17:38:58 <hongchan> cwilso: there's is an alignment issue too.
17:39:41 <hongchan> cwilso: it is doable but this is going to be a fairly big undertaking.
17:40:18 <hongchan> joe: the question we should ask is - without it how offline context would be useful.
17:40:31 <hongchan> joe: as developer - offline context needs this to be useful
17:41:02 <hongchan> padenot: I think we can try for v1..
17:41:06 <hongchan> cwilso: yeah
17:41:26 <hongchan> joe: ok let's try. I will put it in the v1 bracket and we'll see.
17:41:34 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/301
17:42:59 <hongchan> cwilso: resampling is done elsewhere not our problem.
17:43:08 <hongchan> joe: this is v.next
17:43:18 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/296
17:43:19 <cwilso> s/is done elsewhere/might be done elsewhere
17:44:19 <hongchan> cwilso: if you change the playback rate it is hard to calculate the position.
17:44:58 <hongchan> cwilso: we don't have sample accurate hook - so users will be disappointed anyway.
17:45:59 <hongchan> cwilso: it is very good for visual feedback, and also good for making complex changes to playback rate. will make many things easier. (i.e. DJ app)
17:46:50 <hongchan> padenot: yeah I agree
17:49:13 <shepazu> q+
17:49:31 <shepazu> q-
17:49:31 <hongchan> joe: this goes to v.1
17:49:54 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/264
17:50:49 <hongchan> cwilso: this is about utilizing multiple audio tracks in media elements.
17:52:09 <hongchan> cwilso: adding a new node. not a breaking change. should be in v.1
17:52:40 <hongchan> joe: we need to have a clear way of determining the 'first' track.
17:53:04 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/261
17:53:20 <hongchan> cwilso: this is too late.
17:53:26 <hongchan> padenot: yes, next.
17:53:40 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/255
17:55:17 <hongchan> cwilso: I would say this is appendix for last call. Should keep it in v.1.
17:56:11 <hongchan> cwilso: non-normative description of all nodes.
17:56:26 <hongchan> joe: okay I put that it the proposal and we can revisit later.
17:56:34 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/248
17:57:12 <hongchan> padenot: this would be useful - will cause big change.
17:57:43 <hongchan> cwilso: I want to do the heavy lifting in the native code rather than the javascript.
17:57:45 <hongchan> cwilso
17:57:57 <hongchan> cwilso: it should be in v.next
17:58:49 <cwilso> agenda?
18:01:50 <Zakim> -cwilso
18:01:53 <Zakim> -jdsmith
18:03:07 <Zakim> -padenot
18:03:09 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
18:03:10 <Zakim> -joe
18:03:21 <Zakim> -mdjp
18:03:22 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
18:03:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.650.214.aaaa, mdjp, padenot, joe, Doug_Schepers, jdsmith, hongchan, rtoyg
18:04:07 <mdjp> rrsagent, make minutes
18:04:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-audio-minutes.html mdjp
18:04:13 <mdjp> trackbot, end meeting
18:04:13 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:04:13 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:04:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:04:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-audio-minutes.html trackbot
18:04:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:04:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items