Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
06 Aug 2014


See also: IRC log


janina, Michael_Cooper, Lisa_Seeman, Cynthia_Shelly, John_Foliot, James_Craig


<trackbot> Date: 06 August 2014

<janina> Meeting: PFWG telecon

<janina> agenda: this

Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/07/23-pf-minutes.html

preview agenda with items from two minutes

<janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/GitHub

<scribe> scribe: JF

Previous Meeting Minutes https://www.w3.org/2014/07/23-pf-minutes.html

RESOLUTION: Publish meeting minutes of 7/16 as submitted
... Publish meeting minutes of 7/23 as submitted

preview agenda with items from two minutes

CYNS: last week MS had a hackathon / product fair. Many hacks were related to a11y - huge positive momentum
... Can share a few public things, most still internal, but huge positive buzz

JS: just in case some are unaware, Apple has signalled intent to file FO on @longdesc

TPAC 2014 http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/

<MichaelC> TPAC meeting page

MC: not yet formally announced, but have set up a meeting page for PF for this year's TPAC
... only 4 people have registered so far
... rate goes up 8 Oct, and deadline is 18 Oct

JS: we are the Thursday / Friday

JF: asking about working with CSS WG

MC: confirming that CSS WG are meeting Mon / Tues

JS: we need to work out an agenda and approach them ASAP
... Lots of up-in-the-air items - we need to start coordinating this quickly

JF: suggest that we send out an email and start blocking this out in the next week or two

JS: hope to have this nailed down by Labor Day (Sept 1)

Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open

JS, CYNS: both been very busy last few days

<MichaelC> action-1479 due 13 August

<trackbot> Set action-1479 Review content security policy level 2 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-csp2-20140703/ due date to 2014-08-13.

MC: deadline for comments to Jame's review of Security Policy is next week

<MichaelC> action-1480 due 13 August

<trackbot> Set action-1480 Review content security policy level 2 http://www.w3.org/tr/2014/wd-csp2-20140703/ due date to 2014-08-13.

JS: top priority for next wednesday's call

<MichaelC> close action-1483

<trackbot> Closed action-1483.

CYNS: getting caught up on outstanding items this week

new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html#tr_LCWD

<MichaelC> Developers' Guide to Features of Web Accessibility Evaluation Tools

MC: very little due to last week's publishing moratorium
... Shadi and Co. have a new work, from evaluation methodology

JS: good to see, likely will be a good resource

MC: already quite rich

MAUR Update

JS: still open and outstanding - need response from Judy
... believe we are ready from content perspective, but Judy needs to clear some details

Issues and Actions http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0048.html

JS: just want to be sure everyone is aware of Michael

's summary

CSS Device Adaptation http://www.w3.org/TR/css-device-adapt/

JS: there is a spec in CSS that includes a provision that effectively prevents some devices fromzooming

been around for several years, but has been in working draft status

yet we are now hearing that it is being implemented

that's an issue we need to investigate, but the larger issue is the impact of early publications that move slowing at W3C, but quickly at implementors level

likely no resolution today, but we need to discuss this at length

returning to the specific spec, what are we to do now?

CYNS: with the new CR combined process, this is ging to be the new normal, right?

MC: not sure if the process directly influences this, but yes, there seems that this will be the tendancy

CYNS: point is, by the time something reaches LC, it is likely already in a working, mainstream browser

MC: correct, but this 1st PWD already had implementations on the ground

CYNS: perhaps we need a protocol between staff contacts to keep information flowing

JS: this is supposed to be happening at the Mgmt level and charters

MC: there is a bit of a catch there as well - some groups seem to manage to add new deliverables without rechartering
... the issue here was that the idea gained some significant momentum before it even reached W3C
... this is about Zoom: for example if you set zoom-minimum and zoom-maximum both to =1, then it effectively halts zooming

CYNS: perhaps we need to work with our contacts at the various browser vendors to ensure that these things can get caught at that level too
... noting similar larg-org communication issues exist everywhere

JS: we need to flag our concern about this early and flag our concerns
... hope to put up some draft language on next weeks call

CYNS: and ask for the use-cases

[meta discussion on technology versus awareness of a11y]

<jcraig> If there is any time, can you review a few pending actions?

<jcraig> action-931?

<trackbot> action-931 -- James Craig to Drive working with CSS on how various mouse cursor options should be chosen -- due 2012-01-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/931

<jcraig> action-932?

<trackbot> action-932 -- James Craig to Explore CSS generated content more -- due 2012-01-30 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/932

<jcraig> no worries if you're out of time

james, can you jnoin the call?


JS: noting that there is a lot of action around CSS these days

JC: think these items should be closed, have been getting feedback from CSS WG

JS: think that the group should review these, as we are looking at a larger CSS approach - will add these to next weeks agenda
... thanks

Summary of Action Items

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